Is the fact that the "Staff of Loss" has no effect on the duration of "Unseen Form" a mistake?

[Gan]

I was hoping it might make the spell more transparent and harder to see, but I didn't expect that. What I 100% expected was for it to just increase the duration by a small amount.

Why would the game tell me this staff "boosts invisibility sorcery", and then do absolutely nothing for the spell that is literally the closest thing to what one would intuit to be "invisibility sorcery"?

Not only that, but why wouldn't the game allow for this? The duration is only around 30 seconds to begin with, so even doubling that time wouldn't make the spell "OP" by any stretch... This wouldn't exactly be game-breaking. So even if this wasn't the intended effect of the staff, they could have given the spell a slight boost anyway, just to keep the game consistent?

It's weird how this game doesn't reward the player for thoroughly reading item stats and descriptions sometimes, but instead wastes their time by forcing them to do experiments that result in confusion, and having to google search for information anyway.

I guess I will go re-level my character because I don't need 16 intelligence if this isn't going to do what it said it would.

[ShabDez]

I can't tell if this is a mistake or intended, but the "boost invis sorcery" only applies for damage, not duration.
But FWIW, after my Int Sorcerer failed miserably at the Great Jar invader challange (offline candidates), I googled for tipps and Staff of Loss + Night Comet spamming was the solution. The staff is not totally useless.

[Gan]

Opprinnelig skrevet av ShabDez:

I can't tell if this is a mistake or intended, but the "boost invis sorcery" only applies for damage, not duration.
But FWIW, after my Int Sorcerer failed miserably at the Great Jar invader challange (offline candidates), I googled for tipps and Staff of Loss + Night Comet spamming was the solution. The staff is not totally useless.

I never implied the staff was useless. I know it isn't, because after being forced to Google it, and seeing it gave a 30% dmg bonus, it will likely be the among the most damaging staffs...

But that is beside the point, which was about why they wrote their description this way? And how it sets players up for confusion.. As if they didn't know this would be a disappointment for people who want to boost the sorcery that literally makes you invisible. And how they could easily avoid this disappointment by giving the spell a 10 second boost or something. This wouldn't somehow make the spell overpowered, so balance is not the reason. The reason must be that it is an oversight, or specifically to disappoint.

[Ulmace]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Earthen Meat:

Opprinnelig skrevet av ShabDez:

I can't tell if this is a mistake or intended, but the "boost invis sorcery" only applies for damage, not duration.
But FWIW, after my Int Sorcerer failed miserably at the Great Jar invader challange (offline candidates), I googled for tipps and Staff of Loss + Night Comet spamming was the solution. The staff is not totally useless.

I never implied the staff was useless. I know it isn't, because after being forced to Google it, and seeing it gave a 30% dmg bonus, it will likely be the among the most damaging staffs...

But that is beside the point, which was about why they wrote their description this way? And how it sets players up for confusion.. As if they didn't know this would be a disappointment for people who want to boost the sorcery that literally makes you invisible. And how they could easily avoid this disappointment by giving the spell a 10 second boost or something. This wouldn't somehow make the spell overpowered, so balance is not the reason. The reason must be that it is an oversight, or specifically to disappoint.

its done to make you try it out and figure out how it works

[ShabDez]

You are totally right, the ingame description is misleading. But this is a constant problem in this game, not only with the staff. Devs should have put a little more effort into this. Souls games veterans might disagree and call that a vital part of the game experience.

[Gan]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ulmace:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Earthen Meat:

I never implied the staff was useless. I know it isn't, because after being forced to Google it, and seeing it gave a 30% dmg bonus, it will likely be the among the most damaging staffs...

But that is beside the point, which was about why they wrote their description this way? And how it sets players up for confusion.. As if they didn't know this would be a disappointment for people who want to boost the sorcery that literally makes you invisible. And how they could easily avoid this disappointment by giving the spell a 10 second boost or something. This wouldn't somehow make the spell overpowered, so balance is not the reason. The reason must be that it is an oversight, or specifically to disappoint.

its done to make you try it out and figure out how it works

It's a staff that says it improves invisibility that does not improve visibility.

Why don't they just say "this staff boasts the best damage in the game"? Just so you'll try it out to see how it doesn't actually do that?

[Gan]

Opprinnelig skrevet av ShabDez:

You are totally right, the ingame description is misleading. But this is a constant problem in this game, not only with the staff. Devs should have put a little more effort into this. Souls games veterans might disagree and call that a vital part of the game experience.

I am a souls veteran. And I am used to item descriptions being vague, requiring experimentation or research. I'm not used to them blatantly misleading or lying to me though. Not since DS1, where it was due to literal mistranslations... In other words, MISTAKES... Which is why I am wondering if that's what this is.

[Ulmace]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Earthen Meat:

Opprinnelig skrevet av ShabDez:

You are totally right, the ingame description is misleading. But this is a constant problem in this game, not only with the staff. Devs should have put a little more effort into this. Souls games veterans might disagree and call that a vital part of the game experience.

I am a souls veteran. And I am used to item descriptions being vague, requiring experimentation or research. I'm not used to them blatantly misleading or lying to me though. Not since DS1, where it was due to literal mistranslations... In other words, MISTAKES... Which is why I am wondering if that's what this is.

as a souls veteran you should have known

[Gan]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ulmace:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Earthen Meat:

I am a souls veteran. And I am used to item descriptions being vague, requiring experimentation or research. I'm not used to them blatantly misleading or lying to me though. Not since DS1, where it was due to literal mistranslations... In other words, MISTAKES... Which is why I am wondering if that's what this is.

as a souls veteran you should have known

I should have known... what? That they make unintentional translation mistakes, and description oversights? Yeah, it's almost as if that's why I'm asking if that's what this is. So, thanks for commenting twice, while saying nothing, except fully agreeing with the premise of my post.

[Ulmace]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Earthen Meat:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ulmace:

as a souls veteran you should have known

I should have known... what? That they make translation mistakes? Yeah, it's almost as if that's why I'm asking if that's what this is. So, thanks for commenting twice, while saying nothing, except fully agreeing with the premise of my post.

[Gan]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ulmace:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Earthen Meat:

I should have known... what? That they make translation mistakes? Yeah, it's almost as if that's why I'm asking if that's what this is. So, thanks for commenting twice, while saying nothing, except fully agreeing with the premise of my post.

The staff says that it boosts invisibility while literally not doing that. You are trying to tell me this is intentional and good game design. I'm not salty just because I'm able to point out that you're simping for the game and its making you come off as kind of stupid.

[Lod101]

boost invisiblty sorceries , the keyword boost just means makeing stuff do more dmg how you thought it increses duration is beyond me.

but gotta say the german tanslation is better saying it boosts night sorceries

[Ulmace]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Earthen Meat:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ulmace:

The staff says that it boosts invisibility while literally not doing that. You are trying to tell me this is intentional and good game design. I'm not salty just because I'm able to point out that you're simping for the game and its making you come off as kind of stupid.

it says it boosts invisibility sorcereries, im not simping, you are just making a salty rant about something trivial. Also enjoyed reading your review.

[Orion Invictus]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Lod101:

boost invisiblty sorceries , the keyword boost just means makeing stuff do more dmg how you thought it increses duration is beyond me.

but gotta say the german tanslation is better saying it boosts night sorceries

Because the main characteristic of invisibility sorceries is the invisibility, not the damage. All offensive sorceries deal damage, not all of them have invisibility as a characteristic.

[Gan]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Lod101:

boost invisiblty sorceries , the keyword boost just means makeing stuff do more dmg how you thought it increses duration is beyond me.

but gotta say the german tanslation is better saying it boosts night sorceries

I don't know how anyone who doesn't have every single spell memorized would think this staff means anything else besides that it boosts the INVISIBILITY spell.

So this literally confirms that it is a mistake, resulting in a more confusing item description lol...

[Ulmace]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Earthen Meat:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Lod101:

boost invisiblty sorceries , the keyword boost just means makeing stuff do more dmg how you thought it increses duration is beyond me.

but gotta say the german tanslation is better saying it boosts night sorceries

I don't know how anyone who doesn't have every single spell memorised would think this staff means anything else besides that it boosts the INVISIBILITY spell.

So this literally confirms that it is a mistake, resulting in a more confusing item description lol...

miyazaki used confusion, its super effective.