Elden Ring might be the worst soulsborne yet

[Crimzarkin]

When I hear the word soulsborne, the first few games that I think of are Bloodborne, Darksouls 3, 1 and Sekiro.

Why do I say Elden Ring might be the worst soulsborne yet?

1) The level design is almost non existent. Not only is the open world dead and quite boring thanks to the copy pasted dungeons scattered around the map, the main "dungeons/areas" are either too small or have no depth at all. Lets compare the most soulsborney area of the game, Stormveil Castle to Lothric Castle and Cainhurst Castle. The first thing you are gonna notice is how small storm veil castle is, the second thing is how lacking in depth the whole area is. Al it has are 3 vertical layers that are quite tedious to explore unlike cainhurst castle or lothric castle where the atmosphere/enigmatic nature of those areas would keep you intrigued. This was the best area in ER that I was comparing. Lets not talk about the shallow haligtree, the garbage anorlondo wanna be (academy of Liurnia) and the awfull Radhans Castle.

2) The game clearly has a major identity crisis. If I were to ask an actual fan of soulsborne what the themes of Bloodborne, Darksouls and Sekiro were then they would probably reply with Eldritch/Cosmic horror, Dark fantasy and Buddhist Mythology respectively. Now, what is Elden Ring's theme? There you go, ER has the worst story telling, side quests and lore out of all the series (I mean just compare the whole of ER to Bloodborne's Eldritch truth and Darksouls's origins or just go and compare vatividiyas main lore videos regarding this game and you should be able to tell how bland ER is compared to DS or specially Bloodborne).

3) The game literally doesn't innovate much. When I expect a new ip, I expect new and a distinct feeling to the game. Sure the fundamentals might be the same but the content should be unique. For example in Bloodborne we got combat that really made you feel skilled by compelling you to make decisions as well as use the trick weapons that are super satisfying to use and most are vastly different from each other in terms of play style too (Prime examples being Blades of Mercy, Chikage, Ludwig's GS etc). Sekiro had a whole new combat system that was super engrossing and fun. What does ER have? Copy pasted combat and magic from Darksouls (Lets not talk about the ashes of war as they are a detriment to this games balance and ultimately hurt the replay ability that these games are supposed to have).

4) The side quests are horrendous. Compare patches's side quest to his quests in DS or BB...yea ik horrendous. Remember how memorable your parting with Lap or "Patches" was? How he helped you overcome that labyrinth of stairs? Yea. Just shows how horrible the side quests are, lets not even talk about how the side quests can skip parts of the quest or how some of them end.\

5) The bosses. Ik a lot of ER fans masquerading as veterans are gonna start defending this point so here me out and think rationally instead of crying in the comments. Out of the 100+ bosses in ER only 10 or 11 are unique out of which around 9 are main bosses. Everybody knows how crap copy pasted bosses are so lets not squander our time on that. Lets talk about how horrible the boss design in this game is. The boss fights seem to be designed for either a Sekiro player, a coop player or a summon spamming player or a cheeser. Openings are usually baits, input read 90% of the time instead of allowing the player to get an attack in or heal after a successful dodge, the bosses aren't fun or satisfying to fight, some of the bosses have attacks that are not consistently avoidable etc. Here is a video to further elaborate my claims. A renown boss ranker in the soulsborne community.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dlt7THiE08&ab_channel=theDeModcracy

6) Don't even get me started on how horrible the dungeons are. Just compare them to Chalice dungeons from Bloodborne and know how much they messed up.

7) Wanna talk about pvp? I won't as I think the pseudo fans are gonna start calling me a heretic XD.

Maybe criticize the game for its flaws instead of being a shill and sabotaging their next game.

Funny how a lot of these issues are prominent in DS2 and the community hates of the game for it, yet they shill for ER like they get a cut of the profit. Like BRUH. Atleast DS2 did not have a bland and boring skyrim wanna be open world.

[Dr.Abscondus]

TLDR. ER is not a soulsborne game so no point reading past the title.

[Dollmaker]

1. Are you seriously comparing an Endgame area to one of the Earlygame ones? also Stormveil is pretty good, same for Raya Lucaria, Haligtree is a mixmatch due to the difficulty, but solid design wise.

2. ER has good lore, even if its the worst, its still good

3. Well like it or not, AoW do matter, balance is a separate thing, theres also the addition of the Jump ability which allows for more complex level designs and exploration, and we had A LOT of variety in both Sorceries and Incantations as well, theres also the Guard Counter.

4. So gonna ignore how we knew Patches for 3 games in DS? which made that particular ending memorable? this time, we are dealing with a new Patches, and Ranni's quest is awesome. easily the best in the game.

5. The only bosses that are a real issue are the Multi Boss ones., like Duo, most of the Singular bosses are fine, and pretty fun as well.

6. The dungeons are fine.

[Crimzarkin]

Originally posted by Dr.Abscondus:

TLDR. ER is not a soulsborne game so no point reading past the title.

Yea, you are right it is a failed attempt at making skyrim 2

[Crimzarkin]

Originally posted by Dollmaker:

1. Are you seriously comparing an Endgame area to one of the Earlygame ones? also Stormveil is pretty good, same for Raya Lucaria, Haligtree is a mixmatch due to the difficulty, but solid design wise.

2. ER has good lore, even if its the worst, its still good

3. Well like it or not, AoW do matter, balance is a separate thing, theres also the addition of the Jump ability which allows for more complex level designs and exploration, and we had A LOT of variety in both Sorceries and Incantations as well, theres also the Guard Counter.

4. So gonna ignore how we knew Patches for 3 games in DS? which made that particular ending memorable? this time, we are dealing with a new Patches, and Ranni's quest is awesome. easily the best in the game.

5. The only bosses that are a real issue are the Multi Boss ones., like Duo, most of the Singular bosses are fine, and pretty fun as well.

6. The dungeons are fine.

1) It is not end game, have you played the games?

2) Still the worst.

3) Oh yea jumping, how innovative. Yet the level design in Bloodborne, Sekiro and DS felt more complex and fun.

4) No, the ds3 version of him alone squashes the ER quest. Yea know why rannis quest is the best? Cuz it is the main quest. Imagine having to compare the main quest to prev game's side quest XD.

5) Most of the knowledgable soulsborne fans disagree but okay. If you don't wanna explain why you do you.

6) The dungeons are fine? Bruh Destiny 2 has better dungeons XD

[Dollmaker]

Originally posted by Noctis:

Originally posted by Dollmaker:

1. Are you seriously comparing an Endgame area to one of the Earlygame ones? also Stormveil is pretty good, same for Raya Lucaria, Haligtree is a mixmatch due to the difficulty, but solid design wise.

2. ER has good lore, even if its the worst, its still good

3. Well like it or not, AoW do matter, balance is a separate thing, theres also the addition of the Jump ability which allows for more complex level designs and exploration, and we had A LOT of variety in both Sorceries and Incantations as well, theres also the Guard Counter.

4. So gonna ignore how we knew Patches for 3 games in DS? which made that particular ending memorable? this time, we are dealing with a new Patches, and Ranni's quest is awesome. easily the best in the game.

5. The only bosses that are a real issue are the Multi Boss ones., like Duo, most of the Singular bosses are fine, and pretty fun as well.

6. The dungeons are fine.

1) It is not end game, have you played the games?

2) Still the worst.

3) Oh yea jumping, how innovative. Yet the level design in Bloodborne, Sekiro and DS felt more complex and fun.

4) No, the ds3 version of him alone squashes the ER quest. Yea know why rannis quest is the best? Cuz it is the main quest. Imagine having to compare the main quest to prev game's side quest XD.

5) Most of the knowledgable soulsborne fans disagree but okay. If you don't wanna explain why you do you.

6) The dungeons are fine? Bruh Destiny 2 has better dungeons XD

1. Lothric Castle is pretty much an Endgame area, since you defeat the final Lord of Cinder there, which allows to fight the final boss.

Or you meant the first half which is the "starting" zone?, even then Stormveil is fine.

2. And? worst doesnt mean bad.

3. Theres areas that are only accessible by jumping mate, worth pointing out as well the Jumping attacks, and all the other stuff you ignored.

4. And what was his quest in the first game? beating the crap out of him after he tricks you and then he just moves to the FIrelink Shrine... ? DS3 definitely had a good quest for him, but we knew him in that universe already as well, ER does him fine.

5. Well ive seen tons of people that agree the bosses are fine outside of the Duo ones, hell ive even see this ranking vids or whatever and bosses like Maliketh often rank up pretty high.

6. I dont care about Destiny.

[An Irate Walrus]

Final Fantasy XV is the worst entry in the franchise to this point, and the love story between Noctis and Lunafreya perhaps the only thing thinner than the plot threads that were left wholly twisting in the wind in the vanilla release.

I could go on, but only a pseudo Final Fantasy fan would disagree with my clearly logical, fact-based, entirely objective point of view.

[wildnike]

This post feels like a parody of all the genuine "Elden Ring is utter derivative trash and has little redeeming qualities even though I played for 250+ hours" takes out there but Poe's Law is preventing me from coming to a definitive conclusion.

[Crimzarkin]

Originally posted by Dollmaker:

Originally posted by Noctis:

1) It is not end game, have you played the games?

2) Still the worst.

3) Oh yea jumping, how innovative. Yet the level design in Bloodborne, Sekiro and DS felt more complex and fun.

4) No, the ds3 version of him alone squashes the ER quest. Yea know why rannis quest is the best? Cuz it is the main quest. Imagine having to compare the main quest to prev game's side quest XD.

5) Most of the knowledgable soulsborne fans disagree but okay. If you don't wanna explain why you do you.

6) The dungeons are fine? Bruh Destiny 2 has better dungeons XD

1. Lothric Castle is pretty much an Endgame area, since you defeat the final Lord of Cinder there, which allows to fight the final boss.

Or you meant the first half which is the "starting" zone?, even then Stormveil is fine.

2. And? worst doesnt mean bad.

3. Theres areas that are only accessible by jumping mate, worth pointing out as well the Jumping attacks, and all the other stuff you ignored.

4. And what was his quest in the first game? beating the crap out of him after he tricks you and then he just moves to the FIrelink Shrine... ? DS3 definitely had a good quest for him, but we knew him in that universe already as well, ER does him fine.

5. Well ive seen tons of people that agree the bosses are fine outside of the Duo ones, hell ive even see this ranking vids or whatever and bosses like Maliketh often rank up pretty high.

6. I dont care about Destiny.

1) yea storm veil being the worst of the three.

2) Still the worst XD.

3) Jumping attacks exist in BB, DS and Sekiro bruh.

4) No that wasn't the quest, get your memory checked. ER does him fine despite being the worst iteration of him? Typical shill.

5) Funny how reddit and renown boss rankers disagree.

6) Doesn't change the fact that a looter shooter had better dungeons than a rpg with the facade of soulsborne.

[Crimzarkin]

Originally posted by An Irate Walrus:

Final Fantasy XV is the worst entry in the franchise to this point, and the love story between Noctis and Lunafreya perhaps the only thing thinner than the plot threads that were left wholly twisting in the wind in the vanilla release.

I could go on, but only a pseudo Final Fantasy fan would disagree with my clearly logical, fact-based, entirely objective point of view.

It isn't the worst, there are worse ones. No, it is not a bad game it is a flawed. Atleast it does what other final fantasy games are know for right, the world building, characters and story. Unlike ER which fails in pretty much every department of soulsborne genre lol. Maybe you should watch the movie and the anime before yapping your mouth about it being the worst series. pseudo FF and soulsborne fan detected XD.

[Crimzarkin]

Originally posted by wildnike:

This post feels like a parody of all the genuine "Elden Ring is utter derivative trash and has little redeeming qualities even though I played for 250+ hours" takes out there but Poe's Law is preventing me from coming to a definitive conclusion.

lol

[Dollmaker]

Originally posted by Noctis:

Originally posted by Dollmaker:

1. Lothric Castle is pretty much an Endgame area, since you defeat the final Lord of Cinder there, which allows to fight the final boss.

Or you meant the first half which is the "starting" zone?, even then Stormveil is fine.

2. And? worst doesnt mean bad.

3. Theres areas that are only accessible by jumping mate, worth pointing out as well the Jumping attacks, and all the other stuff you ignored.

4. And what was his quest in the first game? beating the crap out of him after he tricks you and then he just moves to the FIrelink Shrine... ? DS3 definitely had a good quest for him, but we knew him in that universe already as well, ER does him fine.

5. Well ive seen tons of people that agree the bosses are fine outside of the Duo ones, hell ive even see this ranking vids or whatever and bosses like Maliketh often rank up pretty high.

6. I dont care about Destiny.

1) yea storm veil being the worst of the three.

2) Still the worst XD.

3) Jumping attacks exist in BB, DS and Sekiro bruh.

4) No that wasn't the quest, get your memory checked. ER does him fine despite being the worst iteration of him? Typical shill.

5) Funny how reddit and renown boss rankers disagree.

6) Doesn't change the fact that a looter shooter had better dungeons than a rpg with the facade of soulsborne.

1. Subjective.

2. Again, doenst matter.

3. Sekiro doesnt even count as part of the Souls games, since its combat its considerably different, and Jumping attacks were hardly used in past games due to how they worked.

4. It is a quest, which ends with you fighting him again at the cave and he even recognizes you and surrenders right away, also once again, worst doesnt mean bad, and he isnt the worst.

5. Dont really care much about Reddit and idk what Renow is.

6. different games and genre, doesnt count.

[Crimzarkin]

Originally posted by Dollmaker:

Originally posted by Noctis:

1) yea storm veil being the worst of the three.

2) Still the worst XD.

3) Jumping attacks exist in BB, DS and Sekiro bruh.

4) No that wasn't the quest, get your memory checked. ER does him fine despite being the worst iteration of him? Typical shill.

5) Funny how reddit and renown boss rankers disagree.

6) Doesn't change the fact that a looter shooter had better dungeons than a rpg with the facade of soulsborne.

1. Subjective.

2. Again, doenst matter.

3. Sekiro doesnt even count as part of the Souls games, since its combat its considerably different, and Jumping attacks were hardly used in past games due to how they worked.

4. It is a quest, which ends with you fighting him again at the cave and he even recognizes you and surrenders right away, also once again, worst doesnt mean bad, and he isnt the worst.

5. Dont really care much about Reddit and idk what Renow is.

6. different games and genre, doesnt count.

1) Objectively worst.

2) Yea, but still the worst.

3) yet it is considered as a soulsborne by most :). Subjective.

4) Still his worst iteration.

5)Renown is famous. Yea, shill.

6) Ok then compare Bloodborne chalice dungeons to ER, you will cry XD.

[Dollmaker]

Originally posted by Noctis:

Originally posted by Dollmaker:

1. Subjective.

2. Again, doenst matter.

3. Sekiro doesnt even count as part of the Souls games, since its combat its considerably different, and Jumping attacks were hardly used in past games due to how they worked.

4. It is a quest, which ends with you fighting him again at the cave and he even recognizes you and surrenders right away, also once again, worst doesnt mean bad, and he isnt the worst.

5. Dont really care much about Reddit and idk what Renow is.

6. different games and genre, doesnt count.

1) Objectively worst.

2) Yea, but still the worst.

3) yet it is considered as a soulsborne by most :). Subjective.

4) Still his worst iteration.

5)Renown is famous. Yea, shill.

6) Ok then compare Bloodborne chalice dungeons to ER, you will cry XD.

1. Subjective

2. Doesnt matter.

3. No it isnt, Sekiro is way too different to be compared to the rest of the Souls games.

4. Not really.

5. Doesnt matter, i dont know them, just cause hes "famous" doesnt mean everyone knows them.

6. I know how they are, i still think ER dungeons are fine.

[GONDAL]

Originally posted by Noctis:

2) The game clearly has a major identity crisis. If I were to ask an actual fan of soulsborne what the themes of Bloodborne, Darksouls and Sekiro were then they would probably reply with Eldritch/Cosmic horror, Dark fantasy and Buddhist Mythology respectively. Now, what is Elden Ring's theme? There you go, ER has the worst story telling, side quests and lore out of all the series (I mean just compare the whole of ER to Bloodborne's Eldritch truth and Darksouls's origins or just go and compare vatividiyas main lore videos regarding this game and you should be able to tell how bland ER is compared to DS or specially Bloodborne).

The main theme of Elden RIng, pretty overbearingly and somewhat cliche, is "Power corrupts."

The Elden Ring was shattered because Marika wanted to consolidate power. The demi-gods started the shattering/war because they saw an opportunity to consolidate power. Godrick grafted people because he saw it as a means to consolidate power. Mohg kidnapped Miquella, effectively killing the Haligtree in the process, because he saw it as a means to consolidate power. Rykard fed himself and the victims of the iron maidens to the snake because he wanted to consolidate power. Malenia destroyed Caelid because she could not control the powers she had. Morgott hunted Tarnished most likely as an attempt to hold onto power as a psuedo-king, as a Tarnished lord would inevitably replace him.

As you can see, every bad thing that any one character does results of an attempt to gain power, or lack of ability to control said power.

[Senki]

Originally posted by Noctis:

3) yet it is considered as a soulsborne by most :). Subjective.

Doesn't matter what it is considered and by who, all that matters is what it actually is. The combat literally has nothing to do with dark souls. The rpg elements don't exist either.

It's just an action game. Or are we gonna call every game that has bosses a ''soulsborne'' now?

Honestly even the term soulsborne is retarded. Bloodborne isn't different enough from dark souls to be added to the genre's name lmao