Is Malenia still alive?

[Orion Invictus]

I think she's regenerating inside that flower/cocoon, and she'll eventually come out with a body made entirely of rot. What do you think?

[Dollmaker]

Doubt it, i think shes gone for good, specially since we took the Great Rune which granted her the regenerative powers.

[Tregarde]

It's a good question. I wish I had a good answer.

[vamirez]

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

I think she's regenerating inside that flower/cocoon, and she'll eventually come out with a body made entirely of rot. What do you think?

And this will be the crossover with Resident Evil that we're all waiting for ;)

[Kim]

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

I think she's regenerating inside that flower/cocoon, and she'll eventually come out with a body made entirely of rot. What do you think?

If you follow the active rules of the land between , Only the rune of death "activated" (call it what you want) can grant Death to anyone.

Since you can only kill 6 news ennemies between the activation of said rune and the end of the game (3 Ulcerated trees + Gideon + Godfrey + Radagon (debatable is Radagon/elden beast are one and the same or two seperate things but that is not the point).

One can assume that every "death" occurred before will not be a real one.

[Omegatherion]

Originally posted by Kim:

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

I think she's regenerating inside that flower/cocoon, and she'll eventually come out with a body made entirely of rot. What do you think?

If you follow the active rules of the land between , Only the rune of death "activated" (call it what you want) can grant Death to anyone.

Since you can only kill 6 news ennemies between the activation of said rune and the end of the game (3 Ulcerated trees + Gideon + Godfrey + Radagon (debatable is Radagon/elden beast are one and the same or two seperate things but that is not the point).

One can assume that every "death" occurred before will not be a real one.

Who says i killed Malenia before Maliketh? Also you can kill so many more things after getting the rund of death. And even Morgott, who you have to kill before getting the rune, is dead for real as we can see in the cutscene with GIGACHAD.

[Kim]

Originally posted by Omegatherion:

Originally posted by Kim:

If you follow the active rules of the land between , Only the rune of death "activated" (call it what you want) can grant Death to anyone.

Since you can only kill 6 news ennemies between the activation of said rune and the end of the game (3 Ulcerated trees + Gideon + Godfrey + Radagon (debatable is Radagon/elden beast are one and the same or two seperate things but that is not the point).

One can assume that every "death" occurred before will not be a real one.

Who says i killed Malenia before Maliketh? Also you can kill so many more things after getting the rund of death. And even Morgott, who you have to kill before getting the rune, is dead for real as we can see in the cutscene with GIGACHAD.

the only fact to be considered is that you can kill her before the event with Maliketh.

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by Kim:

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

I think she's regenerating inside that flower/cocoon, and she'll eventually come out with a body made entirely of rot. What do you think?

If you follow the active rules of the land between , Only the rune of death "activated" (call it what you want) can grant Death to anyone.

Since you can only kill 6 news ennemies between the activation of said rune and the end of the game (3 Ulcerated trees + Gideon + Godfrey + Radagon (debatable is Radagon/elden beast are one and the same or two seperate things but that is not the point).

One can assume that every "death" occurred before will not be a real one.

I think it's clear Destined Death only plays a role in the lore, not gameplay. You definitely kill many, MANY enemies before it's unbound.

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by Kim:

Originally posted by Omegatherion:

Who says i killed Malenia before Maliketh? Also you can kill so many more things after getting the rund of death. And even Morgott, who you have to kill before getting the rune, is dead for real as we can see in the cutscene with GIGACHAD.

the only fact to be considered is that you can kill her before the event with Maliketh.

No, the fact that deaths occur despite Destined Death still being bound is what needs to be considered.

Unbinding Destined Death is just a "point of no return". Everything else about it is flavor text.

[❛❛Vénttea❜❜]

Originally posted by Kim:

If you follow the active rules of the land between , Only the rune of death "activated" (call it what you want) can grant Death to anyone.

Since you can only kill 6 news ennemies between the activation of said rune and the end of the game (3 Ulcerated trees + Gideon + Godfrey + Radagon (debatable is Radagon/elden beast are one and the same or two seperate things but that is not the point).

One can assume that every "death" occurred before will not be a real one.

From the looks of it, they pretty much died and their immortality is gone after the shattering
Godrick's corpse is still seen, Morgott's as well.

As for Malenia, she is 100% dead. She didn't regenerate in the cocoon or flower. She bloomed 3 times and we see that she left 2 Flowers of Aeonia close to the Haligtree.

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by ❛❛Liechée❜❜:

Originally posted by Kim:

If you follow the active rules of the land between , Only the rune of death "activated" (call it what you want) can grant Death to anyone.

Since you can only kill 6 news ennemies between the activation of said rune and the end of the game (3 Ulcerated trees + Gideon + Godfrey + Radagon (debatable is Radagon/elden beast are one and the same or two seperate things but that is not the point).

One can assume that every "death" occurred before will not be a real one.

From the looks of it, they pretty much died and their immortality is gone after the shattering
Godrick's corpse is still seen, Morgott's as well.

As for Malenia, she is 100% dead. She didn't regenerate in the cocoon or flower. She bloomed 3 times and we see that she left 2 Flowers of Aeonia close to the Haligtree.

I'm not saying she regenerated, I'm saying she is regenerating. Big difference.

Her physical form was destroyed, but she lives on in the rot flower/cocoon, which will eventually bloom again, and she will emerge with a new, organic body made of pure rot. That's my speculation.

[❛❛Vénttea❜❜]

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

I'm not saying she regenerated, I'm saying she is regenerating. Big difference.

Her physical form was destroyed, but she lives on in the rot flower/cocoon, which will eventually bloom again, and she will emerge with a new, organic body made of pure rot. That's my speculation.

However it is, she is definitely not regenerating. She is dead because she is no longer immortal. After all, there are 2 flowers lying around near the Haligtree.

Even if the 2nd flower is not Malenia's (who knows). Doesn't change the fact she is still dead.

[Kim]

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Originally posted by Kim:

the only fact to be considered is that you can kill her before the event with Maliketh.

No, the fact that deaths occur despite Destined Death still being bound is what needs to be considered.

Unbinding Destined Death is just a "point of no return". Everything else about it is flavor text.

in one hand , i have the designer of the game that make the rule "Death is not a thing since I (Marika) removed it from the Elden ring long ago"

And you that tells me (i will resume) "No , who cares about the rules , it's clearly lore , death existe we kill a lot of things in the game"

but yeah , it is a matter of interpretation , i will give you that.

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by ❛❛Liechée❜❜:

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

I'm not saying she regenerated, I'm saying she is regenerating. Big difference.

Her physical form was destroyed, but she lives on in the rot flower/cocoon, which will eventually bloom again, and she will emerge with a new, organic body made of pure rot. That's my speculation.

However it is, she is definitely not regenerating. She is dead because she is no longer immortal. After all, there are 2 flowers lying around near the Haligtree.

Just because she bloomed three times doesn't mean she can't bloom again. The flavor text states that on the third bloom she'll become a true goddess, not that she can only bloom three times and then she'll die forever.

Originally posted by Kim:

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

No, the fact that deaths occur despite Destined Death still being bound is what needs to be considered.

Unbinding Destined Death is just a "point of no return". Everything else about it is flavor text.

in one hand , i have the designer of the game that make the rule "Death is not a thing since I (Marika) removed it from the Elden ring long ago"

And you that tells me (i will resume) "No , who cares about the rules , it's clearly lore , death existe we kill a lot of things in the game"

but yeah , it is a matter of interpretation , i will give you that.

It's called a "plot hole". Quite common in stories.

[❛❛Vénttea❜❜]

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Originally posted by ❛❛Liechée❜❜:

However it is, she is definitely not regenerating. She is dead because she is no longer immortal. After all, there are 2 flowers lying around near the Haligtree.

Just because she bloomed three times doesn't mean she can't bloom again. The flavor text states that on the third bloom she'll become a true goddess, not that she can only bloom three times and then she'll die forever.

But how do we know she is even in the flower? If the flower is already bloomed, then how can an already bloomed flower, bloom again? The flower you see is already bloomed, so it is highly unlikely it will bloom again.
Also the flavor text also doesn't say, that the Goddess of Rot or Malenia is immortal, cannot die and can regenerate after death.

Anyway, I didn't mention she died after blooming three times. We literally killed her by the Haligtree after that particular bloom.

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by ❛❛Liechée❜❜:

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Just because she bloomed three times doesn't mean she can't bloom again. The flavor text states that on the third bloom she'll become a true goddess, not that she can only bloom three times and then she'll die forever.

But how do we know she is even in the flower? If the flower is already bloomed, then how can an already bloomed flower, bloom again? The flower you see is already bloomed, so it is highly unlikely it will bloom again.
Also the flavor text also doesn't say, that the Goddess of Rot or Malenia is immortal, cannot die and can regenerate after death.

Anyway, I didn't mention she died after blooming three times. We literally killed her by the Haligtree after that particular bloom.

Sorry, I meant that the flavor text doesn't state that after her third bloom, any death will be permanent.

The reason I believe she will become a being of pure rot is because of her body as the Goddess of Rot. The wings are rot and her body seems to be fusing with the rot (look at her hair, note that it's intertwining and merging with the rot, not just "contaminated" with it). If rot can give her new, functional body parts, why can't it replace all her body parts, even regrow the ones she lost?

I think her evolution wasn't truly finished, and the final stage is becoming a being of rot.