D&D alignments applied to Elden Ring NPC

[Sean Maxhell]

Through another conversation I thought it would be interesting to try and assign D&D alignments to ER characters.

I'm going to add some notes alongside the characters most questioned.

Alexander: Neutral good
Blaidd: Lawful good
Boc: Lawful good
Boggart: Neutral good
Corhyn: Lawful good
D: Lawful neutral
Diallos: Lawful good
Dung Eater: Chaotic evil
Enia: Lawful good
Fia: Chaotic good
Gideon Ofnir: Lawful evil
Godfrey: Lawful neutral
Godrick: Chaotic evil
Goldmask: Chaotic good
Gowry: Lawful evil
Gurranq: Lawful neutral
Hewg: Chaotic good
Hyetta: Neutral good
Iji: Lawful good
Jerren: Chaotic good
Kalè: Lawful neutral
Kenneth Haight: Lawful good
Knight Bernahl: Chaotic neutral
Latenna: Lawful good
Malenia: Lawful neutral
Melina: Lawful neutral
Millicent: Neutral good
Miriel: Neutral good
Mohg: Neutral evil
Morgott: Lawful neutral
Nepheli Loux: Lawful good
Patches: Neutral evil
Pidia: Neutral Evil
Queen Marika: Chaotic good (No, I changed my mind, she is definitely Lawful Evil)
Radagon: Lawful evil
Radahn: Lawful good
Ranni: Chaotic good (I understand that it can be considered Neutral Evil for the way it gave the whole story away, but from my point of view the great will and the golden order are not "good", so I interpret the night of the knives as a necessary act of justice, so much so that Ranni herself sacrificed herself to accomplish it.
And then come on, Martin wrote the story, Godwyn was probably abusing her ...)
Rennala: Neutral good
Roderika: Neutral good
Rogier: Chaotic good
Rya: Neutral good
Rykard: Chaotic evil
Seluvis: Neutral evil
Shabriri: Chaotic neutral
Sorceress Sellen: Chaotic good
Tanith: Lawful neutral
Thops: Neutral good
Varrè: Lawful evil
Yura: Lawful good

Obviously this list should not be taken as a dogma, it is my interpretation of the alignments, assigned to the perception I had of the characters.
So I appreciate and read any other opinion about it you want to expose.

[Orion Invictus]

Two things:
1 - It's "Lawful", not "Legal".
2 - Can you alphabetize the list? There are online resources to do that for you, it'd make it much easier to read.

[Sean Maxhell]

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Two things:
1 - It's "Lawful", not "Legal".
2 - Can you alphabetize the list? There are online resources to do that for you, it'd make it much easier to read.

done

[Ulmace]

In D&D there is a clear good and evil, however in the souls games there is no such thing as good and evil

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by Sean Maxhell:

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Two things:
1 - It's "Lawful", not "Legal".
2 - Can you alphabetize the list? There are online resources to do that for you, it'd make it much easier to read.

done

Thanks.

[Ulmace]

Originally posted by River:

Originally posted by Ulmace:

In D&D there is a clear good and evil, however in the souls games there is no such thing as good and evil

True, still fun to speculate though.

Unless you're one of those god-awful "Rules Lawyers" every D&D campaign seems to be infected with.

not coming from a nit picking on rules sort of thing, but more like, its a pretty big part of the message in the games.

[John Titor]

Some of your alignments dont quite make sense. In this world, the Golden Order is law. Goldmask is a strict adherent to the order, actively trying to repair it. This would make him lawful. Hyetta (at least toward the end) actively subverts the order, which would make her chaotic.

Then you have Boggart stealing a necklace from Rya just to sell it. I wouldn't call that good. Some of those need a rethink.

[Sean Maxhell]

Originally posted by Ulmace:

In D&D there is a clear good and evil, however in the souls games there is no such thing as good and evil

If you are not good at understanding a character's alignment based on the setting, it is not fair for you to disturb others.

You say that D&D has its own rules, but Elden Ring is a fantasy setting like many others, so playing to assign alignments to characters is more than legitimate.

[Kyutaru]

Originally posted by Ulmace:

In D&D there is a clear good and evil, however in the souls games there is no such thing as good and evil

That's only if you apply a strict interpretation of Good or Evil. However, older D&D Dungeon Master guides did not inherently do this. Good and Evil are simply cosmological forces, two sides of an ancient war between factions for the balance of the universe. Alignment dictates where that person falls in their own views and whose side they'd likely side with in that struggle. It is, in essence, a political spectrum and not unlike the divide we have in reality. It does not ACTUALLY mean "good" or "evil" but instead relates to how you interact with the world, either putting others first in a communal effort or placing your own needs and desires over others. Good will frequently aim to be cooperative and self-sacrificing while Evil will frequently aim to be competitive and self-serving. It's Generous vs Selfish, to oversimplify it.

So we can definitely apply D&D alignments to Elden Ring characters if we understand that we're not suggesting that most of them are literally demons.

[Ulmace]

Originally posted by Sean Maxhell:

Originally posted by Ulmace:

In D&D there is a clear good and evil, however in the souls games there is no such thing as good and evil

If you are not good at understanding a character's alignment based on the setting, it is not fair for you to disturb others.

You say that D&D has its own rules, but Elden Ring is a fantasy setting like many others, so playing to assign alignments to characters is more than legitimate.

sorry i stepped on your toes, im not saying your post is illegitimate.
there simply is no such thing as good and evil, a characters alignment is not a set thing, but something depending on the point of view of the beholder.

[Ulmace]

Originally posted by River:

Originally posted by Ulmace:

not coming from a nit picking on rules sort of thing, but more like, its a pretty big part of the message in the games.

I reiterate my previous statement.

Clearly you can't handle people speculating things for fun.

who cant handle something here lmao, lots of long toes here

[Sean Maxhell]

Originally posted by John Titor:

Some of your alignments dont quite make sense. In this world, the Golden Order is law. Goldmask is a strict adherent to the order, actively trying to repair it. This would make him lawful. Hyetta (at least toward the end) actively subverts the order, which would make her chaotic.

Then you have Boggart stealing a necklace from Rya just to sell it. I wouldn't call that good. Some of those need a rethink.

Goldmask, does not want to repair the sacred order, which in my opinion is anything but good, he wants first of all to understand it, and once he understands it in fact he decides he wants to change it, and for this corhyn, lawful to the end, gives him of the madman.

Hyetta's motives have always been to help people whom the sacred order considered heretical and condemned. She doesn't seek revenge like Shabriri.

Rya comes from villa vulcano, a bad place full of bad people, and boggart doesn't know her, he is a thief, but that doesn't make him evil. He is probably more Chaotic good.

[Ulmace]

Originally posted by River:

Originally posted by Ulmace:

who cant handle something here lmao, lots of long toes here

You're the only one here who clearly has an issue with people speculating the D&D style alignments for fun. Why else would you continue to double down on the concept of "good and evil" as much as you have?

Guess we know who the Rules Lawyer is in your campaign.

I get it, you want to be right SO badly that you just can't help yourself. So, you can have the last word that you so clearly want.

lots of assumptions here, i was simply trowing in my 2 cents on the topic and instead of a discussion, i get children with aspergers ranting how im interrupting their fun.

[John Titor]

Originally posted by Sean Maxhell:

Originally posted by John Titor:

Some of your alignments dont quite make sense. In this world, the Golden Order is law. Goldmask is a strict adherent to the order, actively trying to repair it. This would make him lawful. Hyetta (at least toward the end) actively subverts the order, which would make her chaotic.

Then you have Boggart stealing a necklace from Rya just to sell it. I wouldn't call that good. Some of those need a rethink.

Goldmask, does not want to repair the sacred order...

And let me stop you there.
https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Mending+Rune+of+Perfect+Order

A rune of transcendental ideology which will attempt to perfect the Golden Order.
The current imperfection of the Golden Order, or instability of ideology, can be blamed upon the fickleness of the gods no better than men. That is the fly in the ointment.

He is indeed trying to repair the order and keep the Greater Will in power.

Hyetta's motives have always been to help people whom the sacred order considered heretical and condemned. She doesn't seek revenge like Shabriri.

Yes, so actively working against the order, making her chaotic. You're conflating the two alignment stats.

Rya comes from villa vulcano, a bad place full of bad people, and boggart doesn't know her, he is a thief, but that doesn't make him evil. He is probably more Chaotic good.

No, he's probably more neutral neutral, as he isn't actively subverting the order, and he isn't good, but we also don't know that he's going around murdering people. Again, I suggest rethinking them.

[Omni]

I don't think Sellen is chaotic good. Because she steal bodies to live forever. And she isn't crazy for being chaotic. I would say she is lawful neutral.

[Sean Maxhell]

Originally posted by John Titor:

Originally posted by Sean Maxhell:

Goldmask, does not want to repair the sacred order...

And let me stop you there.
https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Mending+Rune+of+Perfect+Order

A rune of transcendental ideology which will attempt to perfect the Golden Order.
The current imperfection of the Golden Order, or instability of ideology, can be blamed upon the fickleness of the gods no better than men. That is the fly in the ointment.

He is indeed trying to repair the order and keep the Greater Will in power.

Hyetta's motives have always been to help people whom the sacred order considered heretical and condemned. She doesn't seek revenge like Shabriri.

Yes, so actively working against the order, making her chaotic. You're conflating the two alignment stats.

Rya comes from villa vulcano, a bad place full of bad people, and boggart doesn't know her, he is a thief, but that doesn't make him evil. He is probably more Chaotic good.

No, he's probably more neutral neutral, as he isn't actively subverting the order, and he isn't good, but we also don't know that he's going around murdering people. Again, I suggest rethinking them.

We probably paid attention to different dialogues and got different ideas of the characters, for example Hyvetta, she just seems naive to me.

For me the golden order is not good, indeed it is legal evil.
GoldMask considers it imperfect and precisely rejects it.
Corhyn is a deluded, deceived, who remains lawful to the end.
The mending rune of the golden order is delivered to you by Corhyn, not GoldMask.

Boggart doesn't kill Rya, and you can summon it to aid you on some occasions. He himself tells you that before he too saw the light like you.