Parrying Malenia - is it feasible for average skilled players?

[1100011]

Even with a trainer, installed especially for her, I can't do more damage than 2x riposte... she easily gains back any riposte damage on a single stagger & combo..

Anyone got gud enough to pull it off, any tips for us casuals?

Edit:

trying for hours, using a character that takes no damage (no other mods), and with the help of the excellent contributions in the thread below, phase 1 down except for WF (hit or miss), just finished Phase 2, where our dear Goddess of Rot decided to bloom twice in the narrow space near the doorway ... spicy .... Following insights were had:

- A LOT of Malenia's attacks can be strafed counterclockwise at close range. The safe zones are quite forgiving.
- Don't parry everything, parry what you can. Learn what combo's alow a charged R2 in the cooldown (phase 2), if she creates space punish with a jumping attack, Interrupt her as much as possible. this keeps the (stance) damage / status buildup going to counter her healing effect. Even an r1 can interrupt her!
- Follow up a successful parry with a jumping attack, and a riposte with charged R2-R1.
- adding frost & bleed to your weapon is effective, but, for the full casual experience and a factor 10 faster fightt, use a +9 Rivers of Blood katana (no weapon art, just the innate bleed &40 dex). Having abandoned all shame, add a white mask : ).

- Using medium shield / golden parry was only useful for me until FP ran out, a buckler gave more consistent parries throughout the fight.
- in phase 2, whatever you do, try keeping her out in the open in case of bloom.

...

- Miyazaki: for this boss, we need to convey the idea of disease and decay. Tanimura: got it, cancer and AIDS it is.
- attempting this at L90 may give you, your controller, and possibly the neighbourhood scarlet rot IRL. Learning how to parry using a cold claw & fire misericorde took an hour per phase 1 attempt, due to the spicy challenge of *that* move & healing on hit. Switched to Rivers of Blood (no weapon art), and adding jumping attacks, R1, charged R2 wherever possible, got it down to a couple of minutes (of course after hours and hours practice with claw/dagger)

[Bricky strong]

If you do it, nobody cares, gud luck.

[1100011]

@Kobi Blade, Señor Brown, and Sonnenbank: wow, thank you for your insights, you have made this a very helpful thread, not just for Malenia but for anyone working on improving their technique.

What casual would have thought to use a medium shield with a parrying ash!

[ᴠ̅̅ɪ̅̅ᴘ̅̅ᴇ̅̅ʀ]

1100011님이 먼저 게시:

Even with a trainer, installed especially for her, I can't do more damage than 2x riposte... she easily gains back any riposte damage on a single stagger & combo..

Anyone got gud enough to pull it off, any tips for us casuals?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8fn54tcswc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgBVF1vnfzM&t=80s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L9kuTLf1s0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so1VC6zPMZs&t=41s

[Na²-L]

I usually parry her 3+1 slashes, mostly because I suck at dodging them, they come out so fast that if you parry the second she locks her arm you're assured to land it. As others have pointed out though, you're probably better off just R1ng her to death with a greatsword, it is bound to be faster.

[Sonnenbank]

So for your info i can give some things i noticed when i tried to parry her a few times,

1.) the easiest 2 attacks to parry are slide to left and slight to right followed by single attacks
These have medium timings and can easily be parried

2.) there are 2 diagonal slashes from stand still
one can be easily parried with quick timing since it has a bit of wind up
one is a rapid slash and almost impossible to parry since you need to press the parry button so damn early that you basically guess for the attack to happen.

3.) there is a long charge attack from distance where she drags herself above the ground for 20m towards you
you can parry this when she did 2/3 of the way.
It makes no f... sense but it works....

4.) you can parry the jump stab/charge attack where she goes into the air from close distance if you parry early.
It can only be parried from close distance and not from far distance which again makes no sense >-<

5.) she has 360c Spins followed by sword hit that can be parried late.
you basically have to wait till she spins around you and when the sword almost hits you you can parry.

6.) The rapid 3+1 slashes can be parried with medium timing.
but you have to be kinda close to be able to parry the 1st one !
you can always parry the 2nd one though since you are automatically in the correct distance.

So whats the problem ?`

1. The fast variation of 2.)
this very rapid diagonal slash is sooo hard to parry

2. There are many non parryable attacks like kicks and combos etc... mixed inbetween
so you have to dodgeroll some attacks anyways.

3.) as you can see you need to memorize timing for different attacks since you cant rely on logical visual feedback
Some attacks have to be parried mega earlly , some late , some medium and this is quite hard to get into correct muscle memory

4.) parrying her means you will get 0-3 close range waterfowls
hardest attack from her to deal with.


So overall you have to be very aware if she does an early , medium , late parry attack
or an attack that isnt parryable at all :(
and you have to deal with close range waterfowls

And what is the reward ?
you dont do damage when parrying her :(
And when you do riposte after she broke -> damage isnt too good either....

long story short:

Hard to pull off
makes the fight a lot more difficult
bad rewards

looks cool is the only pro

[1100011]

ᴠ̅̅ɪ̅̅ᴘ̅̅ᴇ̅̅ʀ님이 먼저 게시:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8fn54tcswc

One of the best parry video's I've seen, thank you!

ᴠ̅̅ɪ̅̅ᴘ̅̅ᴇ̅̅ʀ님이 먼저 게시:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgBVF1vnfzM&t=80s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L9kuTLf1s0

You noticed I'm a casual : ) (complete with RoB)

[ᴠ̅̅ɪ̅̅ᴘ̅̅ᴇ̅̅ʀ]

1100011님이 먼저 게시:

ᴠ̅̅ɪ̅̅ᴘ̅̅ᴇ̅̅ʀ님이 먼저 게시:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8fn54tcswc

One of the best parry video's I've seen, thank you!

ᴠ̅̅ɪ̅̅ᴘ̅̅ᴇ̅̅ʀ님이 먼저 게시:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgBVF1vnfzM&t=80s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L9kuTLf1s0

You noticed I'm a casual : ) (complete with RoB)

You're welcome.

[Kenneth From The Great War]

Sonnenbank님이 먼저 게시:

I tried to parry kill her and just gave up after ~ 10 tries
its just not worth it.
it looks cool but honestly its bad.

This gave me a laugh. A whopping ten tries

Was that like, twenty minutes of practice? It's just really weird to throw in the towel because it wasn't easy.

I parry killed her because my playthrough was parry kill all bosses if possible. She was definitely the hardest to learn.

Except it took me well over ten hours mostly because of the slash you mentioned. I'd miss it often and just die and it resets the fight every time. I eventually got the timing down and learned if you space better she did the attack far less. She loves to do it if your character is literally in her face and does it much less if you leave something of a gap between you.

Phase two parrying had somewhat of an increased challenge because for me her wings make it harder to see some of her animations and then I'd miss parries there too.

[Haru]

Practice, practice, practice.

[1100011]

Behold! I have arisen!

(almost at the DLC, wondering if parrying is the cure for infinite combos)

[1100011]

PS the people here really took the time to give excellent advice, can recommend the read.

[Kenneth From The Great War]

1100011님이 먼저 게시:

Behold! I have arisen!

(almost at the DLC, wondering if parrying is the cure for infinite combos)

Yes, I parried Midra and Rellana for that reason and they're a lot easier to beat that way.

[Ryvaku]

Did anyone ever make a parry guide on enemies and bosses on what can be parried?
The different timings for Med Shields, Light Shields and Parrying dagger?

[Nihrahk]

Ryvaku님이 먼저 게시:

Did anyone ever make a parry guide on enemies and bosses on what can be parried?
The different timings for Med Shields, Light Shields and Parrying dagger?

Don't forget fist weapons too.