Black Knife Assassins (spoiler)

[Witcher]

What is the reason the black knife gang went to assassinate Blaidd and Iji after Ranni is put to rest?

[Dollmaker]

The main theory is that they were sent by the Two Fingers to kill them for betraying the Greater Will.

Ranni was a target as well as seen with the Baleful Shadow.

[John Titor]

Originally posted by Witcher:

What is the reason the black knife gang went to assassinate Blaidd and Iji after Ranni is put to rest?

Not sure what you mean by "Ranni is put to rest," but they're of no use anymore, so she murder's them.

[Dollmaker]

Originally posted by John Titor:

Originally posted by Witcher:

What is the reason the black knife gang went to assassinate Blaidd and Iji after Ranni is put to rest?

Not sure what you mean by "Ranni is put to rest," but they're of no use anymore, so she murder's them.

Ranni didnt murder them, the hell that came from?

Its obvious that Ranni was really close to both of them, why would she kill them? she straight up admits loving both to us.

[John Titor]

Originally posted by Dollmaker:

Originally posted by John Titor:

Not sure what you mean by "Ranni is put to rest," but they're of no use anymore, so she murder's them.

Ranni didnt murder them, the hell that came from?

Its obvious that Ranni was really close to both of them, why would she kill them? she straight up admits loving both to us.

Ranni controls the black blade assassins, not the two fingers.

[Dollmaker]

Originally posted by John Titor:

Originally posted by Dollmaker:

Ranni didnt murder them, the hell that came from?

Its obvious that Ranni was really close to both of them, why would she kill them? she straight up admits loving both to us.

Ranni controls the black blade assassins, not the two fingers.

We only know that she has some connection with them, not that shes in charge of them mate.

Theres nothing that confirms her being their leader, and its massively contradicted by her relationship with Iji and Blaidd, specially Blaidd.

[John Titor]

Originally posted by John Titor:

Originally posted by Dollmaker:

Ranni didnt murder them, the hell that came from?

Its obvious that Ranni was really close to both of them, why would she kill them? she straight up admits loving both to us.

Ranni controls the black blade assassins, not the two fingers.

Iji's dialogue after Blaidd dies:

Unthinkable, how could Blaidd… How did he break free from his cell? No, more importantly… Blaidd became a curse that plagued Lady Ranni, yet in madness, gave himself to her. I’ve made a grave misjudgement. And I thought myself a capable war counselor… I’ll catch up with you soon enough, Blaidd. When I do, I only hope you’ll accept my apology.

Edit: ♥♥♥♥ I meant this as an edit to the previous post

[Kim]

Originally posted by John Titor:

Originally posted by Witcher:

What is the reason the black knife gang went to assassinate Blaidd and Iji after Ranni is put to rest?

Not sure what you mean by "Ranni is put to rest," but they're of no use anymore, so she murder's them.

"Tell Blaidd & Iji i loved them" she said right before sending BKA on them ^^

Ranni the witch turns out to be Ranni the ♥♥♥♥♥.

[John Titor]

Originally posted by Dollmaker:

Originally posted by John Titor:

Ranni controls the black blade assassins, not the two fingers.

We only know that she has some connection with them, not that shes in charge of them mate.

Theres nothing that confirms her being their leader, and its massively contradicted by her relationship with Iji and Blaidd, specially Blaidd.

Well, there's absolutely nothing that says the two fingers sent them. Betrayal is very present in the game.

[Dollmaker]

Originally posted by John Titor:

Originally posted by Dollmaker:

We only know that she has some connection with them, not that shes in charge of them mate.

Theres nothing that confirms her being their leader, and its massively contradicted by her relationship with Iji and Blaidd, specially Blaidd.

Well, there's absolutely nothing that says the two fingers sent them. Betrayal is very present in the game.

I mainly said it was a theory.

If anything a really probable reason is that the Black Knifes are contract assassins, since theres no leader to speak off besides one of their own with Alecto.

So they have no loyalty and will kill whoever for their contractor.

[Toad]

There's no definitive answer. The Black Knife Assassins armour implies they are of the Numen race, which is the same as Queen Marika. So some say they were aligned with her, and went after Ranni and her group. Might also explain why there is the Black Knife Ringleader imprisoned on Ranni's cliff stronghold nearby.

Others say they were aligned with Ranni, and she either used them to dispose of her underlings now that she was done with them, or she'd stationed them with Seluvis and Iji to protect them against Blaidd's inevitable betrayal.

There's a lot of information missing on the allegiance of the Black Knife Assassins, or even if the ones found are even legit and not copycats.

[Dollmaker]

Originally posted by Toad:

There's no definitive answer. The Black Knife Assassins armour implies they are of the Numen race, which is the same as Queen Marika. So some say they were aligned with her, and went after Ranni and her group. Might also explain why there is the Black Knife Ringleader imprisoned on Ranni's cliff stronghold nearby.

Others say they were aligned with Ranni, and she either used them to dispose of her underlings now that she was done with them, or she'd stationed them with Seluvis and Iji to protect them against Blaidd's inevitable betrayal.

There's a lot of information missing on the allegiance of the Black Knife Assassins, or even if the ones found are even legit and not copycats.

I just find the theory of Ranni sending them to kill Iji and Blaidd to be nonsense tbh, considering she was really close to both of them, even admitting she loves both of them, and her dialogue alone heavily supports that notion as well.

[Kim]

Originally posted by John Titor:

Originally posted by Dollmaker:

We only know that she has some connection with them, not that shes in charge of them mate.

Theres nothing that confirms her being their leader, and its massively contradicted by her relationship with Iji and Blaidd, specially Blaidd.

Well, there's absolutely nothing that says the two fingers sent them. Betrayal is very present in the game.

My guess is that she have control over some BKA , not all , that is why you can find Alecto in an evergoal in moonlight altar , an area that is unlocked only if you assist Ranni in her quest to sever the link to the two fingers.

That is why you still see BKA anywhere that is not related to Ranni's quest line (don't know why BKA would serve Ranni anyhow by protecting the Haligtree portal in Ordina by example)

[John Titor]

Originally posted by Toad:

There's no definitive answer...

Absolutely true.

Personally, I like to go where the clues lead me. We already know there's a relationship between Ranni and the BKAs. To my knowledge there's no other link to anyone else. Having said that, everyone is free to believe what they wish.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Dollmaker:

I just find the theory of Ranni sending them to kill Iji and Blaidd to be nonsense tbh, considering she was really close to both of them, even admitting she loves both of them, and her dialogue alone heavily supports that notion as well.

It probably is nonsense, but there's so many holes in the lore that anything can be made mildly plausible. Often times the lore provided even contradicts itself from different sources.

[Dollmaker]

Originally posted by Kim:

Originally posted by John Titor:

Well, there's absolutely nothing that says the two fingers sent them. Betrayal is very present in the game.

My guess is that she have control over some BKA , not all , that is why you can find Alecto in an evergoal in moonlight altar , an area that is unlocked only if you assist Ranni in her quest to sever the link to the two fingers.

That is why you still see BKA anywhere that is not related to Ranni's quest line (don't know why BKA would serve Ranni anyhow by protecting the Haligtree portal in Ordina by example)

Evergaols are prisons mate, idk why the Black Knives would serve her when she imprisoned one of them, essentially making an enemy out of them.

I doubt Ranni has any ties with them past the Nigh of the Black Knifes, since they clearly went after her and ended up facing Iji and Blaidd.