Dual wielding sword of night and flame

[harf4ng]

Hi,
I wonder, beside the weapon skills, is this weapon good as a dual wield weapons?
I mean, with 60 int and faith and weapon at +10, it has an AR pf 716. The issue being the AR is split in three kind of damage.
The bloodhound's fang with 80 dex for instance has an AR of 744, but hits slower.
Butr as I said issue is that the damage is split for the sword of night and flame.
So even without weapon skill (this is another subject), think this is a good weapon for dual wield?
For now I have a dual scavenger occult build.
Thanks

[Gryphhz]

The ash is the main reason for using that sword so prob not..

to get the most out of dual wielding use a weapon with status effects or super high ar with claw talisman and raptor chest piece

did you try jellyfish shield with it?

[Dr.Falcon]

Well...It may have been in interesting choice if you were lower level. If you have enough spare points in your build to have 60 in both int and fth, then you can pretty much use anything.

For hybrid int/fth builds at RL125-150 you really only have the Sword of Night and Flame, claymans harpoon (flame art), and erdsteel (flame art)dagger that can scale with those stats.
The dual straight sword moveset is really good and you can always stack the magic and fire crystal tears for ~40% more damage.

If this is for PvE, since you can invest 60 levels into both int and fth without any repercussion, just use whatever is strongest. No clue what your rune level is but I'm guessing it's fairly high. Just stick with your occult build if that's what is strongest/fun to play with.

[harf4ng]

I am RL 200 and will stick with that. And I am in my NG+.

[Knavenformed]

If you're actually hitting enemies with the sword then yes, powerstancing in Elden Ring is just a free double damage system so go ham.
If you want to optimize dual wielding then sure you get way better results with status effects, but that's just taking the fun out of the game anyways.

Ohman I read the last part too late, yeah if you're looking for something better than optimized bleed then no the Night and flame, pretty much any weapon in the game will have a hard time coming even close to the Scravengers.

[harf4ng]

Except maybe on the final bosses, radagon and elden beast, who are immune to bleed isn't it ?

Wonder it there is a better weapon that will fit my arcane build, so without respec, to take over those two last bosses...

[Knavenformed]

Originally posted by harf4ng:

Wonder it there is a better weapon that will fit my arcane build, so without respec, to take over those two last bosses...

Just use physical occult weapons, I have two occult Lordsworn Straightswords for non-bleedable enemies, might not be nowhere near optimal but they still work wonders in DPS and a fast moveset.

[harf4ng]

And then what about the dual scavenger I use for my bleed occult build ? They are maybe as good for that ?

Sometimes I wonder if this is better to have a slow hard hitting weapon or fast swinging ones for those last boss, because when you have to evade often it is hard to have time to hit several times.

[Dr.Abscondus]

I prefer the reach of the Bloodhound's Fang over the speed of the Night and Flame sword. I guess it's whatever you get used too. I kept missing with the shorter sword because I was used to the greatsword's reach and didn't get close enough before swinging. I don't like the weapon skill on the Night and Flame sword either. I noticed that you have to be on level ground with the enemy otherwise it misses. It doesn't follow the contour of the ground the way the skills on the Blasphemous Blade and Sacred Relic Sword do.

[harf4ng]

The issue I have with slow hitting weapons is against fast hitting opponents. Sometimes they keep interruption me and I am unable to hit them and I die... Rats for instance :)