Queen Marika is a MONSTER and let me tell you why.

[Evoxrus XV]

After finishing this game a couple of times and reading/watching some lore videos, I have come down to the indisputable conclusion that Marika the Eternal, the Queen of the Lands Between is a downright monster and an awful person overall. How so? Lets see a list of crimes and atrocities she has incurred:

She genocided the Fire Giants which is a war crime and enslaved its last remaining survivor

Exhibit 1: The Fire Giants. She waged war on the innocent Fire Giants like a ruthless bastard for no reason other that they wielded the flames to harm her precious Erdtree. Thats like invading a country just because it possess nukes for self protection.

She then exterminated every last one of the Fire Giants like the maniac she was. Even though the Golden Order and the Fire Giants were at war, exterminating almost all of them was too far and is a war crime against human rights. She could have left like 5-10 of them to preserve them, or at least take the survivors and indoctrinate them to the Golden Order, but no. She kills every. Last. One. Of. Them. Except one, who she purposely leaves alive to enslave just so he can protect the giant fire jar for his remaining existence, an eternity of enslavery until we come along. This is not the actions of a kind queen.

She enslaved the Trolls after they sided with the Golden Order by betraying the Fire Giants.

Exhibit 2: Furthermore, she is treacherous. On one of the sword memorials you can read how the Trolls turned against their former allies the Fire Giants to side with the Golden Order. After cutting down their former brethren, how did they get rewarded? By enslavement. Having spears pierced through their chests so they can act as horses for carriages, used as cannon fodder and as disposable meat shields for the Golden Order. She betrays those that give themselves to her. Oh yeah, that brings to the next exhibit.

She betrayed Maliketh, her very own shadow and half brother who was devoted to her.

Exhibit 3: Despite Maliketh's pain in the butt boss fight, we have to admit he was a loyal good boi and was noble in his intentions of stopping the spread of Death throughout the land. He served and lived for Marika faithfully, everything he does is for her. But she betrayed him. And how do we know? First if you kill him in the Bestial Sanctum, he will say why does Marika "gull him". Gull means betrayal, so Maliketh knows she betrayed him. Furthermore his remembrance says, "Maliketh was a shadowbound beast given to his Empyrean. Marika's sole need of her shadow was a vessel to lock away Destined Death. Even then, she betrayed him.". She betrayed her own loyal shadow. Imagine if Ranni betrayed Blaidd. If thats not heartless I don't know what is. But that brings us to exhibit 4:

She is most likely responsible for Godwyns death.

Exhibit 4: She initiated the shattering by orchestrating the death of her first son Godwyn. Godwyn, the most beloved child and God in all the Lands Between. The one who befriended the dragons and made an ally of them. The first child of Godfrey and Marika. And she kills him. For what purpose? I don't know. But we do know the Black Knives are Numens. Numens who had close connections to Marikka. And we do know Maliketh said she betrayed somebody. Her awful and devious nature becomes more apparent, this woman is evil to the core.

She buried the Trade Caravan alive.

Exhibit 5: Despite being a "wise" queen, Marika was too stupid, too proud or too paranoid to think there was something wrong when she trusted the words of Shabriri, Shabriri when he slandered the Trade Caravan, saying they will bring the Frenzied Flame upon the world. Instead of figuring what was wrong, she goes along with it and buries the poor Lands Between Trade Caravan underneath the capital. And when it turned out Shabriri lied and had his eyes gouged out what did she do? Did she unearth the Caravan and apologised? No. She left them there to rot. And they summoned the Frenzied Flame anyways. The same Caravan where our beloved Kale came from. And how could she have trusted Shabriri, we met him ourselves and lets say he isn't the most convincing speaker for sure.

Disgusting.

She broke up Rennala and Radagon

Exhibit 6: After Rennala married Radagon who repented after invading her lands, they lived a happy life and had 3 children. So what does Marika do? She sends her 1st husband Godfrey away and then demands Radagon to come back and marry her even though she knew he was married. This left Rennala broken in heart and mind and threw Raya Lucaria in dissaray. And I am sure Radagon loved Rennala, for why would he leave her with a Great Rune, one of the most powerful items in the world? Marika is a home wrecker.

She gave birth to Malenia

Exhibit 7: She gave birth to Malenia. I don't need to say more.

She betrays us, the Tarnished that she called back to the Lands Between.

Exhibit 8: So we all know it was Marika's plan to have the Tarnished return from the Badlands with their grace restored after being banished from the Lands Between. Alright. We do our job, get at least 2 Great Runes, face many hardships, deal with things like Runebears, Royal Revenants, Lobsters and more and prove ourselves to be worth of the Elden Lord like the Two Fingers told us to. We even beat the Veiled King, Morgott, her son to gain an audience at the Erdtree to become Elden Lord. And what do we get? What. Do. We. Get? A wall of thorns blocking us, saying we shall not enter. After all our suffering to become king we get this?! Despicable. Then it turns out to be her plan, for in Gideon's own words near the end of the game he says he found out that Marika's plan was to have us struggle on to eternity. This whole schtik of us coming back and becoming Elden Lord was a lie, she just wanted us to struggle and suffer to become lord as part of her ploy. She didn't actually believe or expected any of us Tarnished to win. But we were her final mistake, an oversight to her overconfidence and pride. We were too enduring, too strong, too persevering, too resilient in the face of adversity. She expected many things. But not us, not our Tarnished. And that is where we put an end to her madness, her cruelty. Her evil.

Conclusion.

All this proves that Marika is a backstabbing, homewrecking, cruel, proud, paranoid, despicable queen whose actions has caused immense suffering to the world. Actions that caused extinctions to a species to causing the very Flame of Frenzy to be summoned into the world. She backstabs her son, trolls that joined her Order and most of all. Us. The Tarnished. She thought she could get away with it, but our Tarnished proves her madness wrong. And how will we repay her acts of cruelty? Through two endings.

1: Ranni's Ending. Throw away Marika for good, let her turn into dust while we push her precious Golden Order away from the world and bring in a new one. One that will let the people of the Lands Between choose their fates for themselves in the face of loneliness and uncertainty. Ranni's ending will remove Marika and her cruel order with one that is less attached but more fair.

2: Let chaos take the world. Let us choose the Flame of Frenzied ending, may Marika's hubris for burying the trade caravan bring the Flame of Frenzied to destroy her and the world, a poetic ending. One often meet her destiny on the road she takes to avoid it. Let this be Marika's destiny.

May Marika pay for her crimes, she and her Order will get whats coming to them.

EDIT: Edited some spelling errors out. Will also add more crimes of Marika to the list if I seem them, so do tell me more crimes of Marika in the thread.

[The Sylvan Learning Center]

yeah but she's hot

[Evoxrus XV]

Originally posted by The Sylvan Learning Center:

yeah but she's hot

We haven't seen her full face though, and the one we see is already cracked and messed up which even then looks pretty unflattering. She could be meh looking for all we know.

[Borger]

Originally posted by The Sylvan Learning Center:

yeah but she's hot

I see your a man of culture as well

[NisseDood]

Strechy snek girl is best girl.
How can any other er girl even compete?

[The Sylvan Learning Center]

Originally posted by NisseDood:

Strechy snek girl is best girl.
How can any other er girl even compete?

you're attracted to godskin apostle? ok

[Evoxrus XV]

Originally posted by NisseDood:

Strechy snek girl is best girl.
How can any other er girl even compete?

The true man of culture.

[RyuKazé]

Radagon was her other half so I don't see anything wrong with wanting to be whole again.

She's a monster because she gave birth to Malenia? ??!??

[NisseDood]

Originally posted by The Sylvan Learning Center:

Originally posted by NisseDood:

Strechy snek girl is best girl.
How can any other er girl even compete?

you're attracted to godskin apostle? ok

Apostles are just strechy, not sneks.
So no.
Hell for all they could be they could be 2 midgets in 1 costume.

[ha-chan]

Itsn't Marika and Radagon the same person?

[Evoxrus XV]

Originally posted by ha-chan:

Itsn't Marika and Radagon the same person?

Some sources seem to say they aren't. More like 2 seperate people merging together to become one, strange as it is. This can be hinted from where Melina appeared to us in Marika's bedroom and told us in Marika's own words, "Thou'rt yet to become me. Thou'rt yet to become a god.". This indicates both might have been two seperate people merging into one. Why this is happening is unknown.

[The Sylvan Learning Center]

who do you think had a hotter wife, radagon or hoarah loux?

[MULTIPASS]

Most of this stuff is done because it's what the Greater Will wanted, and the rest was done by Marika as part of her grand scheme to take back control from the Greater Will.

[vamirez]

So much text. So much wrong. Lol :)
I'm just not sure whether it's on purpose or not.

[Ulmace]

Pretty sure the actions of the Golden Order are from radagon not marika, Marika is betraying the Golden Order.

[Evoxrus XV]

Originally posted by orksmith:

Most of this stuff is done because it's what the Greater Will wanted, and the rest was done by Marika as part of her grand scheme to take back control from the Greater Will.

"Just following orders" ain't excuse. Plus I am sure she was in in more than one the atrocities herself. I see no reason why the Greater Will would want the caravan buried or the trolls enslaved. Plus she told Godfrey and his men to "hark" or celebrate upon the genocide of the giants, she clearly had some desire there.