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Im not saying that is always bad. Im just saying I call a cat a cat lol.
I used to cheat alot im GTA too btw
Essentially cheating is doing something to gain an unfair advantage that the other party does not agree on. A good example of that would be the fact that oddjob was always banned in goldeneye tournaments because of the unfair advantage he gave players. He was *in* the base game but he was an unfair advantage others couldn't do anything about. Hence the rules against him and using him being cheating.
If, however, we were to play a game where *EVERYONE* is Oddjob then that goes from cheating to a normal game, since the playing field is levelled and everyone agreed to this.
The same rules apply here. If you opt into the co-op mod, you're agreeing to play by a different set of rules than the base game. The rules here allow you to stick with other players, but will increase the health and damage of enemies for every player you add to the game.
This is now the new ruleset, and the only way to cheat is if one of the co-op players did something that gave them an unfair advantage over their human allies, like something that would give them double runes or a glitched weapon that does 1KOs ect. But if everyone gets those advantages, then again, not cheating.
Seamless co-op isn't cheating. Its a modified ruleset. You're basically saying that if someone gets a deck of cards and decides to play spades instead of poker that they are cheating. That isn't how it works. Getting seamless is fundamentally agreeing to a completely different experience of the game, but its still a game. It still has rules, it still has goals, and you implicitly agree to this when you download and install this mod.
It can be seen as a new set of rules as much as cheating .
The normal rules is you get invaded if you co-op and its arguably the rule you chose when you bought the game. When I bought to game the rules I agreed to was you can get invaded if you co-op and you can only invade co-oper (exept tauter's tongue). That is how the game was advertised.
So its not that big of a stretch to say it can be considered cheating.
I am not saying your point is not valid , but it does not invalidate mine.
It really can't dude. I bought this game. I'm playing with my friends and choosing not to opt into the vanilla invasions/co-op by modifying it. Since it is MY property, and I'm not using their servers, I can choose to do what I want to the game. Thats not cheating, same as it wouldn't be cheating for me to play it with a randomizer (which I have and recommend btw) or to be playing it with a reskin mod.
You know how I played co-op and invasions before seamless? I didn't. We tried it and fought twinks for a few hours who instakilled all my friends with scarlet rot or some OP endgame weapons. Then they all uninstalled/refunded and I played the game solo and never co-oped again.
So basically I'm cheating by playing co-op with a mod...when I was never engaging with the co-op content or invasions to begin with...
It doesn't make sense man. Like listen if you like invading I'd meet you in the field on DS3 because that game had amazing invasion battles. I enjoyed the hell out of that. But the co-op/invasions in Elden Ring are just so jank I didn't find it worth engaging with, so I didn't. You're basically always in a gank or be ganked scenario and thats *not* what was advertised.
You can do what you want with your property I have never said otherwise. Owning the game has nothing to do with cheating. If you own a chess it does not grand you the right to move the pieces however you want and call it "legit".
So yea it can be seen as cheating if you do things you normaly can't .
It has nothing to with you or me liking invasion or not,
I agree ds3 PvP was much better but it does not change that modding a game , changing the rules of a game or cheating call it what you want these are pretty similar. The main differance is the context, and that is pretty suggestive.
Like I mentionned before ,When I bought to game the rules I agreed to was you can get invaded if you co-op and you can only invade co-oper (exept tauter's tongue).
But you might have see things otherwise. And bought the game for the co-op mod.
In a context you are cheating because you have the advantage of not being invade. In the other the rules don't involve invasion.
I dont think one possibility make the other false. Schrödinger's cat would understand.
Chess is a bad example, because there is a rule that can be controversial in some circle, Castling, some people want it to be banned because it was not part of the game at the origin, so we can say that the Modern Chess with Castling are a Modified version of the base game
PS: Most official Tournament rules use Castling from what i saw
Uh, yes it does? As long as my opponent agrees to play with the altered ruleset, there's nothing illegitimate or wrong with playing, say, pawns moving as knights. I mean, obviously I couldn't say we're playing vanilla chess or w/e, but it's perfectly valid.
No, the main difference is consent. Cheating is a negative term which describes a player who violates the agreed on rules of a game to alter their abilities compared to those they play with. Modding a game merely means to play a version of the game that's been altered from the vanilla experience.
It isn't cheating, even though it provides an advantage, because it's not an advantage over the people they're playing with but rather over the base state of the game. See the traveling example: if we all agree to play basketball with traveling, it isn't cheating even if it gives an advantage over the default state of the game because we can all do it.
I think you're conflating cheating and the use of cheat codes. They aren't the same thing.
Chess is a bad example, because there is a rule that can be controversial in some circle, Castling, some people want it to be banned because it was not part of the game at the origin, so we can say that the Modern Chess with Castling are a Modified version of the base game
PS: Most official Tournament rules use Castling from what i saw [/quote]
Its an interesting point, I think the casting rule is a good example of something being considered another rule vs cheating.
those who banned it must have considered it cheating .
same thing different point of view.