5 Simple Tips to DEFEAT MALENIA

[Salty Sis' 4U]

Some pointers for those trying so hard, but failing so badly... And not understanding why she's SO UNFAIR and STRONG.

1. Don't use PEBBLE magic you dunce. Unless it's the dark/night variants, she'll easily avoid it. You're not gonna be able to do the whole "efficient mage" crap for most late-game fights, start investing in heavier spells or just stick to melee/weapon arts.

2. If you're summoning allies, learn to WORK TOGETHER. Specifically?
Juggle aggro'! If she's not looking at you then you ought to be whacking her to stagger and stop her attacking the one she IS looking at. Be wary of the occasional backswing on her horizontal slashes.

3. Only summon what you need to. Other than your ashen summons via the bell, all additional allied summons you start the fight with grant the boss additional health.
This is a percentile gain per player and for bosses like Malenia and those with larger health pools than most it can be a pain. Keep in mind that Malenia's healing is likewise a percentile of her max health pool... So having more summons not only inflates her HP, but also allows her to heal more per slap to the face she deals.
One good ally is worth thrice that of two mediocre ones. Choose wisely.
Stagger-heavy allies are a wise choice for Malenia, whether they wield large and bonky weapons or cast AoE blasts that can knock her down.
A common tactic to juggle aggro' and KO Malenia is to charge-heavy-swing/stab at her when she's getting up, and to do so when her attention is diverted from you if able.
By doing so back and forth, it's fairly easy to get her staggered and eventually onto her knees for a critical.

4. Stop using pebble magic.
This needs reiterating for the more stubborn "but muh MP" mages out there. The same applies to any projectile spells really. Malenia has some nutty evasion. Sadly, despite what some popular Youtubers may show on their streams, the bloody bug-swarm spell ain't gonna do jack either.
If you INSIST on using projectiles, try those with a hearty explosive radius and an arc. Slow-moving, hard-hitting spells with strong tracking also work... Provided they have a decent travel distance before they expire. The dark/full moon sorceries are a prime example of this, as are incantations such as is the flame of the fell god.
Fire them when Malenia is distracted by your ally and/or mid-attack, just mind her dance of death and deadly thrust attack; both have an animation lock that prevents her being staggered during their use.

5, Git gud.
That is to say, learn the game's systems more deeply and master them.
No amount of mechanical edges can make up for someone that doesn't put in the thought to strategy, nor for someone that refuses to consider alternative methods when one fails.
You don't have to entirely respec just for Malenia... But it's always wise to check out your other weapons, Talismans and spells to find something a bit more versatile or effective, should what you're used to be ineffective.

[causality]

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[Lenox]

Night Comet is nice for phase 1.

[John Titor]

Here's 1 simple tip:

1. Summon me. I'll solo her.

[Ermitaum]

Originally posted by John Titor:

Here's 1 simple tip:

1. Summon me. I'll solo her.

Dayum!

[tmg]

My mimic tear and I absolutely DESTROYED her using giants flame take thee. I just let the mimic get aggro and used it, knocked her over, rinse and repeat. Throw in a black flame tornado here and there. She didn't even use water fowl second form. Just obliterated.

[Fineous🔥]

Thanks OP.

Maybe i can kill her now. Been stuck there for more than 1k hours.

[Sonnenbank]

Stepp 1 learn her mechanics

I made a video for beginners on that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26hf9-PfeFs&ab_channel=lordad

Stepp 2 practice for 1-2hours

profit

The END

Malenia is the most overhyped boss concerning difficulty in the history of souls games.
She is kinda hard yepp
She is not even 1/10 as hard as people say she is

there is 1000ways to cheese her but when you do so... you will only be able to beat her with that specific cheese

when you learned her moveset you will be able to beat her with almost any setup

[C1REX]

In my opinion the biggest mistake people make is when they ignore defence and everything she does one shot them.

60VGR, Morgots Great Rune, Talismans, consumables, magic boosts, sacred flask and you can trade blows with her. With so much defence there is very little she can do.

Rivers of Blood is one of few weapons that melt her.

[grishalit7]

Two things to note off my last fights with Malenia(that worked ofc):

-Most projectile spells will get dodged by her, but not ranni dark moon/renalla full moon, she will dodge first, then run to you and get hit anyway. This will work as long as you cast it from at least medium distance from her, not from right at-her-face. This sorcery reduces her magical defence and applies frostbite so its best to use this at the start of the battle and at the start of phase 2(as well when you see the effect has worn off, but battles rarely last long enough for it to fall off).

-Mohg sacred spear ash of war will tear her health to shreads with its large area of effect, the fire damage and the bleed proc, while the r1 spear pokes will break her pose very fast. Cast in medium distance as she gets close to you, you'll get free damage on her and charge the spear with bleed and fire, making r1 spams hit harder and break her poise faster.

[Padischli]

put barbaric roar on a nightrider glaive and stunlock her with your mimic tear

[Fineous🔥]

Ok thats bloody enough! NO MORE.....

Pebbles? meta builds? barricade shield? PETTY.....WEAK.....INSIGNIFICANT (in game moderators).

I Fineous sensei of digital scumbbagery and certified internet professional ***hole (im insulting myself moderatos....let me have this at least) presents you the ultimate tank....dont dare to say i used cheats or ask if this is legit.....anyone cheating deserves....not going to go there.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2872290084

THREAD.....You get yourself a

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Fallingstar+Beast+Jaw

Debuff her with

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Greyoll%27s+Roar

And get this for the flask:

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Stonebarb+Cracked+Tear

She cant hurt me....she cant do anything but to dissapear and get out of my sight....i feel sorry for the poor Malenia....stunlocked...

Anyways promise me you all will have a perfect day.....please.

[MULTIPASS]

1. Have a plan for dealing with waterfowl dance. I've been doing a lot of assisting for Malenia, and 90% of hosts panic roll and die on the first waterfowl that comes their way.

[Salty Sis' 4U]

Originally posted by tmg:

My mimic tear and I absolutely DESTROYED her using giants flame take thee. I just let the mimic get aggro and used it, knocked her over, rinse and repeat. Throw in a black flame tornado here and there. She didn't even use water fowl second form. Just obliterated.

TBH I also had such a build a while back, me and a Black-knife assassin ruined her. Juggled aggro', softened her with the HP cap holy wave attack from the ashen summon... Kept her grounded with fireballs out the wazoo.

Second phase within a minute, killed the second phase in about the same.
AoE blasts are ideal for her IMO.

[Salty Sis' 4U]

Originally posted by Fineous:

Ok thats bloody enough! NO MORE.....

Pebbles? meta builds? barricade shield? PETTY.....WEAK.....INSIGNIFICANT (in game moderators).

I Fineous sensei of digital scumbbagery and certified internet professional ***hole (im insulting myself moderatos....let me have this at least) presents you the ultimate tank....dont dare to say i used cheats or ask if this is legit.....anyone cheating deserves....not going to go there.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2872290084

THREAD.....You get yourself a

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Fallingstar+Beast+Jaw

Debuff her with

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Greyoll%27s+Roar

And get this for the flask:

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Stonebarb+Cracked+Tear

She cant hurt me....she cant do anything but to dissapear and get out of my sight....i feel sorry for the poor Malenia....stunlocked...

Anyways promise me you all will have a perfect day.....please.

>Lvl.667

Okay then.

[Salty Sis' 4U]

Originally posted by grishalit7:

Two things to note off my last fights with Malenia(that worked ofc):

-Most projectile spells will get dodged by her, but not ranni dark moon/renalla full moon, she will dodge first, then run to you and get hit anyway. This will work as long as you cast it from at least medium distance from her, not from right at-her-face. This sorcery reduces her magical defence and applies frostbite so its best to use this at the start of the battle and at the start of phase 2(as well when you see the effect has worn off, but battles rarely last long enough for it to fall off).

-Mohg sacred spear ash of war will tear her health to shreads with its large area of effect, the fire damage and the bleed proc, while the r1 spear pokes will break her pose very fast. Cast in medium distance as she gets close to you, you'll get free damage on her and charge the spear with bleed and fire, making r1 spams hit harder and break her poise faster.

Yeah, because her AI and that of most dodge AIs within Elden Ring operate on an "I saw you use a projectile-release animation".
They dodge when the animation kicks into the phase to launch the projectile, they don't account for the actual projectile's speed or tracking.

AoE blasts can catch them and knock them down depending on the spell/art...
While some super-tracking, slow moving spells can turn 90-degrees to catch them mid-dodge.

Speedy tracking spells, sadly, are rarely effective on Malenia. As are those with a rather short distance they can travel.

The blood bug swarm is an example of this, as while it has decent tracking, all it can do is slow her down as she passes within it's fairly tiny AoE zone... And it has an extremely short distance it can travel before fading, making it a poor choice for Malenia as she can cross large gaps in a flash and repositions often.




As for Mohg's spear... Yup, I can confirm it'll nuke her if you've got the build for it, so long as she doesn't oneshot stab you as you're using it.
Fire Scorpion, the smashed jar talisman for skill damage, talisman to boost damage from rapid hits greatly... Can do some solid damage, but eh, yeah, your vulnerability makes it something to save for when she's KO'd or such.

Or you can risk it all and hope she dies before she reaches your chest cavity with her blade's tip.