Seamless COOP mod has ruined Eldin ring multiplayer

[RobbySkaz]

Started a new character to do another run of the game after not playing it ever since the dark souls 3 servers came back on, and I’m shocked at how empty and dead this game seems now (even with healthy steam player numbers)

No summon signs practically anywhere, I may have seen 4 total signs available in 4 ish hours of play, not to mention the 3-5 minute matching times for a single invasion.

I totally understand the appeal of the coop mod as it eliminates the summon system alot of players find annoying but the trade off being basically no player activity in the vanilla game seems terrible.

I was expecting to come back to Eldin ring and see double or even triple the amount of summon signs as dark souls 3 with being such an old game but it’s literally the total opposite.

I believe this all stems from the decision of making invasions only target 2+ players (old news) and the lower cap on how many phantoms can be in one world at once, also the lack of covanents to add rewards to PVP for players. The New Seamless Coop mod is just the final nail in the coffin it seems.

Maybe I am the outlier in thinking this is going to be a negative to the overall game, if so I’m curious to hear your take on it.

To any players who are just totally put off by the PVP aspect I highly recommend you Give it a try, the invasion system that the souls games (and ER) has is one of a kind.

(PS if you are one of the ppl who invades into level 15 player worlds with twink’d out high level gear and armor just to stomp new players YOU are a major part of the problem pushing players away from this side of the game)



Edit - Even looking at the major Eldin Ring discords or LFG groups will reinforce this, i"d say 50% at least of the players active in the LFG discord channels are all using the Mod.

[Komarimaru]

Originally posted by n00b:

Originally posted by RyuKazé:

You think that only people wanting a casual experience use the mod? The mod actually has proper mob/boss scaling and a status effect that will whittle down your HP and kill you if make the foolish mistake of thinking the mod now makes the game a cakewalk as well as various other improvements. There's a mega thread somewhere around here, you can read all the changelogs yourself for a better idea.

Solo invasions, I doubt that Seamless will make FS put it back in their game. People will just play offline 🤷🏽‍♂️
Then imagine getting kicked off your horse everytime someone comes to invade. In that case, return solo invasions and remove the horse 🤣
There will be more people that prefer the horse to solo invasions returning.

As for the player cap, this is what's currently being tested:
https://youtu.be/gsUJp8kn68E
He hopes to get it up to 250 max simultaneous players.

Again, the mod is not official, it's not part of the game and was not developed by FS, so everything you whining about will not change what the mod is: Not part of the game, and it's for casual coop experience.

Quit using trash arguments

The only whiner is you.

[NisseDood]

Being able to mod is an essential part of pc gaming.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by Link:

Originally posted by n00b:

This is whinning argument, invasions are a core mechanic to balance coop, if you don't like that why you're playing a game that has PvP as a core mechanic? That makes no sense, for me it's all whinning.

Rofl, finished the game 6 times, never summoned anyone solo, i always just help.
I just feel awful for the ones who struggle and its made worse by... not difficulty or they're lack of skill but actual people making it worse....

Also mentioned he can do what he want but he went about the coop mod so i did him a favor by giving him insight into a person who doesn't like invasion for reasons... now he knows and i'm done with it.. what whining.....and if they trully added those invasions for balancing, why the hell are spirit summons in the game....

its the games easy mode... they're better then coop players.. they're tanks xD
Did a complete run once with summons, they make the game an instant win, not one boss is a treat anymore rofl......

Is why i'm never using em anymore, they make the game dull...

Conclusion, i don't invade cause i don't want to be an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥,
and..... yeh no, that was it, never sayed once any invader should stop invading, do whatever you want, but don't expect me and apparantly a lot of others to not look at invaders as .....
If it bothers you that much , stop doing it, if ya don't, stop trying to throw gasoline on the fire... sigh...

But sure, all of you who can't deal with the logic that bieng an active invader makes you an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥... not a pvper, an invader... Seem to go on the route of, you whine.... wauw, great defense, enough sayed right there, go annoy people some more and feel good about yourself, i'll be activly hunting your kind down to protect people of frustration and feel good about that lol.

Maybe go work on your morals, even with anonymous strangers on the internet? sheesh

bla bla bla, whining, i'm right, you're wrong, bla bla bla, whining.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by Komarimaru:

Originally posted by n00b:

Again, the mod is not official, it's not part of the game and was not developed by FS, so everything you whining about will not change what the mod is: Not part of the game, and it's for casual coop experience.

Quit using trash arguments

The only whiner is you.

You are literally crying in the comments

[Komarimaru]

Originally posted by n00b:

Originally posted by Komarimaru:

The only whiner is you.

You are literally crying in the comments

Says the guy, crying in not just this sob thread, but every single one of them.

[MEGA MAN X]

*Rekusant "Komarimaru" is invadeing the World of "nOOb"*

[Lumina]

Originally posted by TinFoilHatCat:

*Rekusant "Komarimaru" is invadeing the World of "nOOb"*

A connection error occured, returning to your world.

[MEGA MAN X]

Originally posted by Lumina:

Originally posted by TinFoilHatCat:

*Rekusant "Komarimaru" is invadeing the World of "nOOb"*

A connection error occured, returning to your world.

*loading screen freezes*

[Komarimaru]

Originally posted by TinFoilHatCat:

Originally posted by Lumina:

A connection error occured, returning to your world.

*loading screen freezes*

*inappropriate activity detected*

Sigh... freaking servers..

[NisseDood]

Originally posted by Komarimaru:

Originally posted by TinFoilHatCat:

*loading screen freezes*

*inappropriate activity detected*

Sigh... freaking servers..

*From releases patch but only fixes things no one asked for*

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by TinFoilHatCat:

*Rekusant "Komarimaru" is invadeing the World of "nOOb"*

It's n00b with 00, not with OO.

[Humpenstilzchen]

They could have offered proper mp modes to begin with instead of shoving invasions down the thzroat of those who just want to koop. What a stupid and needlessly toxic system, no wonder people search for alternatives.

There should be different mp modes in the game like koop, 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2 ect bp. And before people try to kill me with words, no I don´t play mp. I´m not interested in any invasions and I wouldn´t try koop because of invasions. I hate stuff like that. I want to choose myself how to play the game.

The current ingame system sucks big time as it forces everyone to accept invasions , but that´s not how it works. People tend to not like being forced to anything, hence why there should be different mp gamemodes in the game.

Fromsoft in their wisdom missed this opportunity and now people are leaving the mp pool. Don´t be mad at the people who want to enjoy mp without invasions, rather be mad at Fromsoft for their ignorance of the underlying issue.

People should be allowed to choose in their settigns wether they want to be invaded or not. Period. Everything else leads to people leaving the ingame mp pool of people entirely.

[Naewyng]

Originally posted by RobbySkaz:

Originally posted by vaanomega:

Using Steam numbers isn't a reliable way to know how many player are using the mod, how many are playing vanilla online and how many are solo players

if yo think that Coop-mod is the only one to "take away" players from the base game, you should also blame Solo players for it, or Randomizers, or any mods since using a mod prevent people to play on official servers

You clearly didnt read anything but the title, Never said its ONLY the coop mod lol its a culmination with this being a major impact to the online player base. look at the download count on nexus or LFG activity online.

Pretty sure offline/singleplayer players are a much, much larger percentage than coop mod users (or any mod users for that matter).

Originally posted by RobbySkaz:

Originally posted by Luwae:

I dislike pvp aswell, and from should add an option to turn it off. Also, wanting the coop mod to be suppressed because you think it prevents you to invade and be summoned more, it's a bit selfish.

The concept of the mod is great, sharing the same world from start to the end, not having to summon your friend every two sec with the connection issue. It's not because you don't want to enjoy the mod that it gives you any right to stop those who want to enjoy it.

Imagine a mod that did the reverse, allowed invaders into solo players worlds. that would rightly be outrages to the player-base. that is exactly what this mod does for the invasion side of the playerbase practically.

To say its selfish to want a base game mechanic to be active is insane LOL

Its selfish to alienate an entire side of the player-base all because you dislike a chore game mechanic so you are now going to 3rd party mod to get around it.

A mod couldn't do the reverse. You couldn't connect to somebody that's not connected to the server lol.

It's selfish to complain about the coop mod because that's saying that you want to force people to play your way.

Do you also randomly go to kids who play soccer "the wrong way" and try to force them to play properly?
If a few of your friends stop playing hopscotch with you the way you like it because they want to play it with their on rules, do you try to force them to play "the right way"?

The people who want to remove themselves from "the right way" in order to play their own way are NOT the selfish ones. The selfish ones are the ones that try to complain about, berate and outright abuse the ones who remove themselves.

[Kleerex]

When invaders are complaining about running out of meat for their chopping block even with global invasions AND global summoning, that just tells you how people feel about some players with "optimized builds" ruining their co-op sessions.

Hey, invaders claim that they keep the game alive. Well, go on, do your job! What, you can't "keep the game alive" without PvE players?

[NisseDood]

Originally posted by Kleerex:

When invaders are complaining about running out of meat for their chopping block even with global invasions AND global summoning, that just tells you how people feel about some players with "optimized builds" ruining their co-op sessions.

Hey, invaders claim that they keep the game alive. Well, go on, do your job! What, you can't "keep the game alive" without PvE players?

Thats just what invaders want to belive.
Its actually the duelists who keep it alive.