Seamless COOP mod has ruined Eldin ring multiplayer

[RobbySkaz]

Started a new character to do another run of the game after not playing it ever since the dark souls 3 servers came back on, and I’m shocked at how empty and dead this game seems now (even with healthy steam player numbers)

No summon signs practically anywhere, I may have seen 4 total signs available in 4 ish hours of play, not to mention the 3-5 minute matching times for a single invasion.

I totally understand the appeal of the coop mod as it eliminates the summon system alot of players find annoying but the trade off being basically no player activity in the vanilla game seems terrible.

I was expecting to come back to Eldin ring and see double or even triple the amount of summon signs as dark souls 3 with being such an old game but it’s literally the total opposite.

I believe this all stems from the decision of making invasions only target 2+ players (old news) and the lower cap on how many phantoms can be in one world at once, also the lack of covanents to add rewards to PVP for players. The New Seamless Coop mod is just the final nail in the coffin it seems.

Maybe I am the outlier in thinking this is going to be a negative to the overall game, if so I’m curious to hear your take on it.

To any players who are just totally put off by the PVP aspect I highly recommend you Give it a try, the invasion system that the souls games (and ER) has is one of a kind.

(PS if you are one of the ppl who invades into level 15 player worlds with twink’d out high level gear and armor just to stomp new players YOU are a major part of the problem pushing players away from this side of the game)



Edit - Even looking at the major Eldin Ring discords or LFG groups will reinforce this, i"d say 50% at least of the players active in the LFG discord channels are all using the Mod.

[Him]

引用自 zero：

引用自 Him：

Tell me who started it again?

i literally just did, are you really that confused?

like its literally in what you quoted.

But you like to repeat yourself dont you?

[zero]

引用自 Yard-Dog®：

引用自 RobbySkaz：

Started a new character to do another run of the game after not playing it ever since the dark souls 3 servers came back on, and I’m shocked at how empty and dead this game seems now (even with healthy steam player numbers)

No summon signs practically anywhere, I may have seen 4 total signs available in 4 ish hours of play, not to mention the 3-5 minute matching times for a single invasion.

I totally understand the appeal of the coop mod as it eliminates the summon system alot of players find annoying but the trade off being basically no player activity in the vanilla game seems terrible.

I was expecting to come back to Eldin ring and see double or even triple the amount of summon signs as dark souls 3 with being such an old game but it’s literally the total opposite.

I believe this all stems from the decision of making invasions only target 2+ players (old news) and the lower cap on how many phantoms can be in one world at once, also the lack of covanents to add rewards to PVP for players. The New Seamless Coop mod is just the final nail in the coffin it seems.

Maybe I am the outlier in thinking this is going to be a negative to the overall game, if so I’m curious to hear your take on it.

To any players who are just totally put off by the PVP aspect I highly recommend you Give it a try, the invasion system that the souls games (and ER) has is one of a kind.

(PS if you are one of the ppl who invades into level 15 player worlds with twink’d out high level gear and armor just to stomp new players YOU are a major part of the problem pushing players away from this side of the game)



Edit - Even looking at the major Eldin Ring discords or LFG groups will reinforce this, i"d say 50% at least of the players active in the LFG discord channels are all using the Mod.

Bah! Seamless Co-op made multiplayer better if we're being honest. It wouldn't have been needed if From Software implemented a more immersive co-op experience for the vanilla game in the first place.

The only thing that would make the multiplayer experience even better than seamless co-op is if there was an implementation of an invasion system that's independent of the password co-op. Why? Because the co-op system in the vanilla game is bare bones and trivial, and the invasion system was always fun.

I really do wish that the best of both worlds were what we have in our hands; seamless co-op AND invasions. It'd be a lot more fun than both the vanilla game AND the seamless co-op mod are.

im of two minds of the matter, while yes i like the mod i also think its perfectly fine for souls games to be limited multiplayer like they are, its a part of the experince in that sense, i feel like the mod existing makes it the best of both worlds in that regard, as everyone can get what they want.

but i do understand what you mean, due to the mod not working the way the game does invasions sadly cant be a thing for those who want it, though they did have the book with the various pvp rules, so while small scale there is pvp in it, not the same but still

[zero]

引用自 Him：

引用自 zero：

i literally just did, are you really that confused?

like its literally in what you quoted.

But you like to repeat yourself dont you?

引用自 Him：

Thing is you cant prove who started it. Hypocrit

as do you

its almost as if as long as you won't change your questions, my answers will remain the same, cause there is a correct answer lmao.

no matter how many times you ask 2+2, the answer is 4, it's not gonna change.

and no matter how many times you ask "who started it" will the answer change, because people cannot use the mod to do turnabout until it actually exists, and that only came out within the last year, demon souls came out in 2009, over a decade ago.

your attempts at trolling are poor, and hurt your argument.

the mod is a seamless co-op mod, it doesn't affect you or anybody else unless you actually play it, it didn't hurt the multiplayer at all.

[Him]

引用自 zero：

引用自 Him：

But you like to repeat yourself dont you?

引用自 Him：

Thing is you cant prove who started it. Hypocrit

as do you

its almost as if as long as you won't change your questions, my answers will remain the same, cause there is a correct answer lmao.

no matter how many times you ask 2+2, the answer is 4, it's not gonna change.

and no matter how many times you ask "who started it" will the answer change, because people cannot use the mod to do turnabout until it actually exists, and that only came out within the last year, demon souls came out in 2009, over a decade ago.

your attempts at trolling are poor, and hurt your argument.

the mod is a seamless co-op mod, it doesn't affect you or anybody else unless you actually play it, it didn't hurt the multiplayer at all.

So you are saying the invader did not start it now?

[zero]

引用自 Him：

引用自 zero：

as do you

its almost as if as long as you won't change your questions, my answers will remain the same, cause there is a correct answer lmao.

no matter how many times you ask 2+2, the answer is 4, it's not gonna change.

and no matter how many times you ask "who started it" will the answer change, because people cannot use the mod to do turnabout until it actually exists, and that only came out within the last year, demon souls came out in 2009, over a decade ago.

your attempts at trolling are poor, and hurt your argument.

the mod is a seamless co-op mod, it doesn't affect you or anybody else unless you actually play it, it didn't hurt the multiplayer at all.

So you are saying the invader did not start it now?

引用自 Him：

引用自 zero：

exactly, cant really claim the mod "started it" when it came out in the past year, and this argument started years ago.

Are you saying the invader did not start it?

you already tried that.

you claim i like to repeat myself but really, you asked the exact same question, and got the exact same answer.

6 pages ago and still trying to pretend you don't know any better, even when your question has been answered and explained.

[Miles (Tails) Prower]

引用自 Him：

引用自 zero：

as do you

its almost as if as long as you won't change your questions, my answers will remain the same, cause there is a correct answer lmao.

no matter how many times you ask 2+2, the answer is 4, it's not gonna change.

and no matter how many times you ask "who started it" will the answer change, because people cannot use the mod to do turnabout until it actually exists, and that only came out within the last year, demon souls came out in 2009, over a decade ago.

your attempts at trolling are poor, and hurt your argument.

the mod is a seamless co-op mod, it doesn't affect you or anybody else unless you actually play it, it didn't hurt the multiplayer at all.

So you are saying the invader did not start it now?

It honestly doesn't matter who started. If you are getting triggered over the mod, that can't really hurt you, because you can still invade, then the problem is in you, not the ones who just enjoy the game. Afterall, it's first and foremost thing to do in all games.

[Autoro]

引用自 Him：

Tell me who started it again?

If by "it" you mean who started being douchecanoes first; Invaders or Co-Op players?

It's been stated multiple times. Your willful ignorance is the only barrier to communication here. Here, I'll word it very simply, using the adage that Zero cited; "If you don't like how it works, then leave."

That started back in Demon's Souls, and were words used by Invaders trying to make co-op players angry . Invaders absolutely did start hostilities between themselves, and co-op players, and did so with gusto during Demon's Souls, and Dark Souls 1.

To say otherwise is, as I've already said, just you being willfully ignorant.

If by "it" you mean who started being douchecanoes first in regards to the seamless co-op mod? That's the harder question to answer, but it's still incredibly safe to assume Invaders started ♥♥♥♥, as co-op players were just excited about the seamless co-op mod until invaders came out of the woodworks, and started to relentlessly harass the co-op players until they finally lashed back.

Something to keep in mind is that between the two groups of players, one finds their fun in playing games with their friends, while the other group finds joy in invading others' worlds, and stomping them to stop their progress.

Those two behaviors definitely lend some credence to the assumption that Invaders started the anger in the Seamless Co-Op debate, while Co-Op players merely reacted to the anger with their own only when it was chucked at them.

Does this sum it up nicely, or are you gonna play stupid some more?

[Him]

引用自 Autoro：

引用自 Him：

Tell me who started it again?

If by "it" you mean who started being douchecanoes first; Invaders or Co-Op players?

It's been stated multiple times. Your willful ignorance is the only barrier to communication here. Here, I'll word it very simply, using the adage that Zero cited; "If you don't like how it works, then leave."

That started back in Demon's Souls, and were words used by Invaders trying to make co-op players angry . Invaders absolutely did start hostilities between themselves, and co-op players, and did so with gusto during Demon's Souls, and Dark Souls 1.

To say otherwise is, as I've already said, just you being willfully ignorant.

If by "it" you mean who started being douchecanoes first in regards to the seamless co-op mod? That's the harder question to answer, but it's still incredibly safe to assume Invaders started ♥♥♥♥, as co-op players were just excited about the seamless co-op mod until invaders came out of the woodworks, and started to relentlessly harass the co-op players until they finally lashed back.

Something to keep in mind is that between the two groups of players, one finds their fun in playing games with their friends, while the other group finds joy in invading others' worlds, and stomping them to stop their progress.

Those two behaviors definitely lend some credence to the assumption that Invaders started the anger in the Seamless Co-Op debate, while Co-Op players merely reacted to the anger with their own only when it was chucked at them.

Does this sum it up nicely, or are you gonna play stupid some more?

Ive been called a rapist and a child kicker because im an invader. I did not start it

Its going to be a differant story for everyone and you cant prove who started it.

Even if you did , you think because some invader where bad, you have the right to call all invaders rapist and stuff?

And you say im the one playing stupid

[zero]

引用自 Him：

引用自 Autoro：

If by "it" you mean who started being douchecanoes first; Invaders or Co-Op players?

It's been stated multiple times. Your willful ignorance is the only barrier to communication here. Here, I'll word it very simply, using the adage that Zero cited; "If you don't like how it works, then leave."

That started back in Demon's Souls, and were words used by Invaders trying to make co-op players angry . Invaders absolutely did start hostilities between themselves, and co-op players, and did so with gusto during Demon's Souls, and Dark Souls 1.

To say otherwise is, as I've already said, just you being willfully ignorant.

If by "it" you mean who started being douchecanoes first in regards to the seamless co-op mod? That's the harder question to answer, but it's still incredibly safe to assume Invaders started ♥♥♥♥, as co-op players were just excited about the seamless co-op mod until invaders came out of the woodworks, and started to relentlessly harass the co-op players until they finally lashed back.

Something to keep in mind is that between the two groups of players, one finds their fun in playing games with their friends, while the other group finds joy in invading others' worlds, and stomping them to stop their progress.

Those two behaviors definitely lend some credence to the assumption that Invaders started the anger in the Seamless Co-Op debate, while Co-Op players merely reacted to the anger with their own only when it was chucked at them.

Does this sum it up nicely, or are you gonna play stupid some more?

Ive been called a rapist and a child kicker because im an invader. I did not start it

Its going to be a differant story for everyone and you cant prove who started it.

Even if you did , you think because some invader where bad, you have the right to call all invaders rapist and stuff?

And you say im the one playing stupid

and once again you using personal experince =/= an objective fact, which leads back to the orginal point:

引用自 zero：

引用自 Him：

They dont just dislike the feature , they deeply hate. To the point of calling those using it rapist.

Different then simply disliking it

taking the words of literally single digit number of people on this forum and trying to equate that to the entire community is quite frankly a fallacy and childish.

doubly so when you forget to mention the other half of the argument, in which people who are "pro" invading have been insulting people literally since before this mod ever came out.

welcome to: your repeating yourself, and you getting called "rapist" by some guy here doesn't dismiss this argument started years ago, so the "who started it" remark is still obvious.

[Autoro]

引用自 Him：

Ive been called a rapist and a child kicker because im an invader. I did not start it

Its going to be a differant story for everyone and you cant prove who started it.

Even if you did , you think because some invader where bad, you have the right to call all invaders rapist and stuff?

And you say im the one playing stupid

Sorry you've been called those names, seriously. The people who did say that ♥♥♥♥ aren't representative of the co-op player base, though. They are, thankfully, a minority... To the point where on this discussion board, you can count the number of individuals slinging those insults on a single hand, and even then they've been rightfully banned...

That all said, Invaders definitely started the hostilities between themselves, and players trying to play co-op back in Demon's Souls, and Dark Souls 1. That's just a fact. Sorry that your willful ignorance won't let you see this.

[Paradox]

They've been making the souls games more casual, the mod is just doing it better and faster.

[Tacticowl]

引用自 Him：

引用自 MateAndMead：

Bro. Please say never anything so cringe ever again. Bad touch.

Ok ill leave to horny kitty to you

Keep your creepy nonce hands off me, holy crap. And then you're surprised you get called a rapist and stuff after saying weird creepy stuff like this? Has nothing to do with you being an invader, you're just a legit creep.

I would never have prejudice agains't someone just for using the invasion mechanic but when you keep saying creepy stuff to people like calling them a "horny kitty" I can see where the accusations are coming from...

Not saying these accusations are true, probably not, but when you say things like this you can't blame people for drawing conclusions...

You should learn boundaries.

[Shinkiro]

引用自 Autoro：

That all said, Invaders definitely started the hostilities between themselves, and players trying to play co-op back in Demon's Souls, and Dark Souls 1. That's just a fact. Sorry that your willful ignorance won't let you see this.

Lol no, you have to provide actual proof to claim something is a fact. What you're stating is your bias personal opinion. Something 99% of people in here cant seem to understand.

My first toxic souls experience many many years ago was from some coop players sending me private messages because i dare play the game as its intended and kill them. From MY POINT OF VIEW PvE players started it, see how that works?

From a none bias assumption its basically guaranteed both sides "started it" at the same time in the end. But theres a huge difference between someone saying "git gud" and someone throwing out toxic insults, profanity and discriminatory comments because they are salty an intended game mechanic slowed their progress.

But as with all things, the whiny crying PvE players will never take responsibility for anything that implies they aren't god's gift to this earth.

[Him]

引用自 MateAndMead：

引用自 Him：

Ok ill leave to horny kitty to you

Keep your creepy nonce hands off me, holy crap. And then you're surprised you get called a rapist and stuff after saying weird creepy stuff like this? Has nothing to do with you being an invader, you're just a legit creep.

I would never have prejudice agains't someone just for using the invasion mechanic but when you keep saying creepy stuff to people like calling them a "horny kitty" I can see where the accusations are coming from...

Not saying these accusations are true, probably not, but when you say things like this you can't blame people for drawing conclusions...

You should learn boundaries.

If you dont want to be called horny kitty dont use a kitty whit "horny" writen on it as a profile picture

Glad you changed it btw

[zero]

引用自 Shinkiro：

引用自 Autoro：

That all said, Invaders definitely started the hostilities between themselves, and players trying to play co-op back in Demon's Souls, and Dark Souls 1. That's just a fact. Sorry that your willful ignorance won't let you see this.

Lol no, you have to provide actual proof to claim something is a fact. What you're stating is your bias personal opinion. Something 99% of people in here cant seem to understand.

the mod came out within the last year, demon souls came out in 2009.

using my powers of math: thats 12 years of ability to insult others before the mod existed and people were able to do turnabout.

there ya go.

both sides cant "start it" at the same time, thats not how any argument works lmao, one side said "if you dont like it leave" and belittled people cause they couldn't, the other put up with it until surprise, a mod existed that allowed them to do just that