Seamless COOP mod has ruined Eldin ring multiplayer

[RobbySkaz]

Started a new character to do another run of the game after not playing it ever since the dark souls 3 servers came back on, and I’m shocked at how empty and dead this game seems now (even with healthy steam player numbers)

No summon signs practically anywhere, I may have seen 4 total signs available in 4 ish hours of play, not to mention the 3-5 minute matching times for a single invasion.

I totally understand the appeal of the coop mod as it eliminates the summon system alot of players find annoying but the trade off being basically no player activity in the vanilla game seems terrible.

I was expecting to come back to Eldin ring and see double or even triple the amount of summon signs as dark souls 3 with being such an old game but it’s literally the total opposite.

I believe this all stems from the decision of making invasions only target 2+ players (old news) and the lower cap on how many phantoms can be in one world at once, also the lack of covanents to add rewards to PVP for players. The New Seamless Coop mod is just the final nail in the coffin it seems.

Maybe I am the outlier in thinking this is going to be a negative to the overall game, if so I’m curious to hear your take on it.

To any players who are just totally put off by the PVP aspect I highly recommend you Give it a try, the invasion system that the souls games (and ER) has is one of a kind.

(PS if you are one of the ppl who invades into level 15 player worlds with twink’d out high level gear and armor just to stomp new players YOU are a major part of the problem pushing players away from this side of the game)



Edit - Even looking at the major Eldin Ring discords or LFG groups will reinforce this, i"d say 50% at least of the players active in the LFG discord channels are all using the Mod.

[babycat]

the coop experience in the mod is leagues better than this game. Half the time on 1.06, my girlfriend and I can't even see each other's summon signs until one of us reboots. I'm sticking to the mod.

[Him]

Akuma の投稿を引用：

Him の投稿を引用：

The mod is not the only thing responsible.

Froms dropped the ball on edlen rings's pvp.

No convenant
lots of dcs
Lots of exploit ( did they fix afk farming yet?)

The mod is just a nail in the coffin.

I still want to know how the mod ruins Elden Ring. The OP ignored my first post, so I'll ask you.

Why would I want to play with you? I can play with people that I know. The mod makes it easier to play with people that I know. If I don't play with people that I know. I would play alone so you still wouldn't be involved. I don't feel obligated to play with you or help you.
Are you hurt by not being able to invade and run into a boss or a mob pack and sit there for however long you'd be ignored for until three people stomp you out of the game and you could come here to say it's not fair to fight more than one person. No one has to play with you or help you. Just like with PvP to do any PvE with any other random you have to put your sign down and just like the mod, you can put a password so only your friends could join you, which we used, so you couldn't even join. So tell me how the mod ruins it for people who play Elden Ring. Because you have no one to play it with?

Tell me.

If invasion is that easy for you, you should not mind it.

And yes it does prevent invasion. You ask a question but you know the anwser.

You just want to complain against invaders. It shows.

[RobbySkaz]

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Akuma の投稿を引用：

I still want to know how the mod ruins Elden Ring. The OP ignored my first post, so I'll ask you.

Why would I want to play with you? I can play with people that I know. The mod makes it easier to play with people that I know. If I don't play with people that I know. I would play alone so you still wouldn't be involved. I don't feel obligated to play with you or help you.
Are you hurt by not being able to invade and run into a boss or a mob pack and sit there for however long you'd be ignored for until three people stomp you out of the game and you could come here to say it's not fair to fight more than one person. No one has to play with you or help you. Just like with PvP to do any PvE with any other random you have to put your sign down and just like the mod, you can put a password so only your friends could join you, which we used, so you couldn't even join. So tell me how the mod ruins it for people who play Elden Ring. Because you have no one to play it with?

Tell me.

If invasion is that easy for you, you should not mind it.

And yes it does prevent invasion. You ask a question but you know the anwser.

You just want to complain against invaders. It shows.

^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Sanctuary]

The problem is not in the COOP mod, but in the basic game multiplayer. It is clear, that nobody wants to play it as is. Blame the game, not the mods that fix it.

[Rhett]

Unfortunately the MP and servers had so many issues early on that people were begging for an alternative.

Invasion controversy aside, the connection was dramatically better and more stable with the mod. That alone was a reason to swap, and I blame From for not taking their MP more seriously (for all of us - invaders and co-ops alike). Covenants, balance, stability, a cooldown on invasions, etc all would have gone a long way.

[Lu2]

Akuma の投稿を引用：

Him の投稿を引用：

The mod is not the only thing responsible.

Froms dropped the ball on edlen rings's pvp.

No convenant
lots of dcs
Lots of exploit ( did they fix afk farming yet?)

The mod is just a nail in the coffin.

I still want to know how the mod ruins Elden Ring. The OP ignored my first post, so I'll ask you.

Why would I want to play with you? I can play with people that I know. The mod makes it easier to play with people that I know. If I don't play with people that I know. I would play alone so you still wouldn't be involved. I don't feel obligated to play with you or help you.
Are you hurt by not being able to invade and run into a boss or a mob pack and sit there for however long you'd be ignored for until three people stomp you out of the game and you could come here to say it's not fair to fight more than one person. No one has to play with you or help you. Just like with PvP to do any PvE with any other random you have to put your sign down and just like the mod, you can put a password so only your friends could join you, which we used, so you couldn't even join. So tell me how the mod ruins it for people who play Elden Ring. Because you have no one to play it with?

Tell me.

maybe becuse all twinks stayed in non moded game and all buddies use mod to avoid invasions ? ima trying to help friend in non moded game and its non stop invasions . from soft need pull out head from theirs asses . bring invasion timer like ds 2 does and give players option to get invaded solo once in while . vets would welcome ,twinks would welcome this .

couse now its eighter no invasions or invasion each 5 minutes . why its even called invasion anymore when you see it comming . i will never undertand this since ds3

[Lunar Fang]

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Akuma の投稿を引用：

I still want to know how the mod ruins Elden Ring. The OP ignored my first post, so I'll ask you.

Why would I want to play with you? I can play with people that I know. The mod makes it easier to play with people that I know. If I don't play with people that I know. I would play alone so you still wouldn't be involved. I don't feel obligated to play with you or help you.
Are you hurt by not being able to invade and run into a boss or a mob pack and sit there for however long you'd be ignored for until three people stomp you out of the game and you could come here to say it's not fair to fight more than one person. No one has to play with you or help you. Just like with PvP to do any PvE with any other random you have to put your sign down and just like the mod, you can put a password so only your friends could join you, which we used, so you couldn't even join. So tell me how the mod ruins it for people who play Elden Ring. Because you have no one to play it with?

Tell me.

If invasion is that easy for you, you should not mind it.

And yes it does prevent invasion. You ask a question but you know the anwser.

You just want to complain against invaders. It shows.

I know it's how they designed the game that way and there was no mod when it first came out and we dealt with people invading, but there's people who play that aren't Dark Souls savvy and don't feel like putting up with it. I didn't care to be invaded when I first played Elden Ring with people. It's also not about screwing over people in PvP. Have you used the mod? Do you know how awesome it feels not to have to walk ten feet to resummon or having to resummon after every single boss encounter. You don't have to unsummon at a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cave entrance walk five feet to resummon. Weird barriers out of no where and again they have to leave to be summoned on the other side. You can't see or loot items, you beat a boss and it counts for one person, so they have to leave and summon you to rebeat the same boss. Maybe some people use it to avoid invades, I use it because I don't want to continuously summon my friends after every little thing we do.

[Lunar Fang]

Lu2 の投稿を引用：

Akuma の投稿を引用：

I still want to know how the mod ruins Elden Ring. The OP ignored my first post, so I'll ask you.

Why would I want to play with you? I can play with people that I know. The mod makes it easier to play with people that I know. If I don't play with people that I know. I would play alone so you still wouldn't be involved. I don't feel obligated to play with you or help you.
Are you hurt by not being able to invade and run into a boss or a mob pack and sit there for however long you'd be ignored for until three people stomp you out of the game and you could come here to say it's not fair to fight more than one person. No one has to play with you or help you. Just like with PvP to do any PvE with any other random you have to put your sign down and just like the mod, you can put a password so only your friends could join you, which we used, so you couldn't even join. So tell me how the mod ruins it for people who play Elden Ring. Because you have no one to play it with?

Tell me.

maybe becuse all twinks stayed in non moded game and all buddies use mod to avoid invasions ? ima trying to help friend in non moded game and its non stop invasions . from soft need pull out head from theirs asses . bring invasion timer like ds 2 does and give players option to get invaded solo once in while . vets would welcome ,twinks would welcome this .

couse now its eighter no invasions or invasion each 5 minutes . why its even called invasion anymore when you see it comming . i will never undertand this since ds3

It's not about invades, it's about not having to summon everyone over and over again. Not having to deal with trying to put down signs that may or may not show up. If they had this kind of co op in Elden Ring to start, people wouldn't need a mod. The mod is called Seamless co op, not invasion dodger 1.0

It's literally made it so if you both loot the same chest, you both get something out of it. Instead of someone gets it, then quitting to join their world, so they get it. if this was co op out the gate, there wouldn't need to be a mod.

[Lu2]

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Lu2 の投稿を引用：

maybe becuse all twinks stayed in non moded game and all buddies use mod to avoid invasions ? ima trying to help friend in non moded game and its non stop invasions . from soft need pull out head from theirs asses . bring invasion timer like ds 2 does and give players option to get invaded solo once in while . vets would welcome ,twinks would welcome this .

couse now its eighter no invasions or invasion each 5 minutes . why its even called invasion anymore when you see it comming . i will never undertand this since ds3

It's not about invades, it's about not having to summon everyone over and over again. Not having to deal with trying to put down signs that may or may not show up. If they had this kind of co op in Elden Ring to start, people wouldn't need a mod. The mod is called Seamless co op, not invasion dodger 1.0

It's literally made it so if you both loot the same chest, you both get something out of it. Instead of someone gets it, then quitting to join their world, so they get it. if this was co op out the gate, there wouldn't need to be a mod.

but ultimatively it is invasion dodger as side effect. horible side effect that ruins base game coop even further

[Lunar Fang]

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Akuma の投稿を引用：

It's not about invades, it's about not having to summon everyone over and over again. Not having to deal with trying to put down signs that may or may not show up. If they had this kind of co op in Elden Ring to start, people wouldn't need a mod. The mod is called Seamless co op, not invasion dodger 1.0

It's literally made it so if you both loot the same chest, you both get something out of it. Instead of someone gets it, then quitting to join their world, so they get it. if this was co op out the gate, there wouldn't need to be a mod.

but ultimatively it is invasion dodger as side effect. horible side effect that ruins base game coop even further

It can't ruin the base game co op. If you have no one to play with, you can't play co op. If you want to help random people, you put down your sign to be summoned. if I don't put down a sign, you can't summon me. You have to want to participate in PVE, you literally have to go into your inventory and put down a sign so someone can summon you. The mod is the same way, you have to put in a password and be summoned into the game and you can remove people. The only thing that's changed is not having to be summoned a 100 times every time you play, you don't have to rebeat bosses together, you get credit for each kill together, you get items together, no barriers to worry about. Everyone gets torrent. it's an open world game and you can't mount in Elden Ring. I can understand the PvP, but forcing it on the player base isn't a good thing. If people could opt out of it in regular Elden Ring, they would. It wouldn't be any different.

[Lu2]

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Lu2 の投稿を引用：

but ultimatively it is invasion dodger as side effect. horible side effect that ruins base game coop even further

It can't ruin the base game co op. If you have no one to play with, you can't play co op. If you want to help random people, you put down your sign to be summoned. if I don't put down a sign, you can't summon me. You have to want to participate in PVE, you literally have to go into your inventory and put down a sign so someone can summon you. The mod is the same way, you have to put in a password and be summoned into the game and you can remove people. The only thing that's changed is not having to be summoned a 100 times every time you play, you don't have to rebeat bosses together, you get credit for each kill together, you get items together, no barriers to worry about. Everyone gets torrent. it's an open world game and you can't mount in Elden Ring. I can understand the PvP, but forcing it on the player base isn't a good thing. If people could opt out of it in regular Elden Ring, they would. It wouldn't be any different.

sure mod is nice . not sure what from soft thinking aplying old summoning rules on open world map . but my point is most twinkers are in vanila and its overwhelming due to fact half of coop players using mod

[Lu2]

i just hope from soft wold add covenant for veteran mode or something where you actualy get invaded solo once in while withouth taunter tongue to counter this side efect just like good old ds1 and ds2

[Lu2]

Did achievments work with mod ?

[Thrakius999]

maybe it destroys stuipid invasions and forced pvp. nothing more. everyone who wants to be invaded and want forced pvp can do this as always

[vaanomega]

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It can't ruin the base game co op. If you have no one to play with, you can't play co op. If you want to help random people, you put down your sign to be summoned. if I don't put down a sign, you can't summon me. You have to want to participate in PVE, you literally have to go into your inventory and put down a sign so someone can summon you. The mod is the same way, you have to put in a password and be summoned into the game and you can remove people. The only thing that's changed is not having to be summoned a 100 times every time you play, you don't have to rebeat bosses together, you get credit for each kill together, you get items together, no barriers to worry about. Everyone gets torrent. it's an open world game and you can't mount in Elden Ring. I can understand the PvP, but forcing it on the player base isn't a good thing. If people could opt out of it in regular Elden Ring, they would. It wouldn't be any different.

sure mod is nice . not sure what from soft thinking aplying old summoning rules on open world map . but my point is most twinkers are in vanila and its overwhelming due to fact half of coop players using mod

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