Ganking hosts are more toxic than any invader could be

[MULTIPASS]

I didn't have a dog in this race for a long time, but I recently starting doing invasions and... damn. I can't believe we listened to co-op players whine about invasions for months.

There was a prevailing theme in those threads that "using an invasion item makes you the bad guy", but taunter's tongue is much worse. Instead of going in solo and underleveled to take on 2-3 players at once, you sit in a cave with some level 200 havelmonster and spam rotten breath and weapon arts. Hosts setting up ganks with high level summons are much worse than anything an invader could ever do.

[DayLight1943]

Escrito originalmente por Senki:

How about instead of crying about one side or the other we actually blame Fromsoft, the ones that made these things possible and failed to provide a good multiplayer experience in the first place.

i do blame fromsoft for the game balance issues that have made fighting some ganks who choose to use certain setups/strats absurdly unbalanced, like shieldpoke, cheesy one shots, aoe spam, projectile spam etc etc, but the inherent mechanics of invaders being outnumbered and hosts having all kinds of advantages is actually really important to the dynamics of pvp and of the pvp community, and this is 100% how it should be.

these inherent advantages like outnumbering the invader, no friendly fire, great rune, etc etc etc, allow normal players just going thru the game to eventually overcome the challenge of being invaded, and the experience of gank spanking - beating a group of players with insane advantages over you with nothing more than your wits, your build and your skill, is absolutely integral to the invasion experience.

some of these advantages, like the constant stream of blues to replace your phantoms, are a bit much and could be tweaked, but the general outline of host advantages is exactly how it should be and is extremely important to the invasion experience and to the pvp community.

[DayLight1943]

Escrito originalmente por Komarimaru:

Blame your fellow invaders. They got tired of waiting to gank people, so instead made gank squads. Can literally watch those who stream, they are on both sides.

these are often the most fun invasions to play. whenever i invade someone i know as an invader from coinvading with them or from getting to know them in twitch streams, im super exited about it.

2 skilled players, not looking to stack every possible advantage, not using cheesy no skill gear, hosting very fun but very sweaty 2v2s.

yes please

[CourtesyFlush09]

Escrito originalmente por Senki:

How about instead of crying about one side or the other we actually blame Fromsoft, the ones that made these things possible and failed to provide a good multiplayer experience in the first place.

It's a hivemind in here; very few people will admit that.

[Forest]

Uh no. Invaders literally have bosses to hide behind and cheese builds. Can't count how many times I was playing with a friend and a invader shows up with moonveil or rivers or dual wielding spears and using running L1 spam and like clockwork soon as they take a single point of damage they start rolling away to the nearest mob or boss to coward behind.

So maybe host would be less toxic if invaders weren't such pathetic cowards.

[Lylliana of Mirrah]

Escrito originalmente por Forest:

Uh no. Invaders literally have bosses to hide behind and cheese builds. Can't count how many times I was playing with a friend and a invader shows up with moonveil or rivers or dual wielding spears and using running L1 spam and like clockwork soon as they take a single point of damage they start rolling away to the nearest mob or boss to coward behind.

So maybe host would be less toxic if invaders weren't such pathetic cowards.

says the dude who hides behind phantoms.

[Forest]

Escrito originalmente por Darkspirit Leliana:

Escrito originalmente por Forest:

Uh no. Invaders literally have bosses to hide behind and cheese builds. Can't count how many times I was playing with a friend and a invader shows up with moonveil or rivers or dual wielding spears and using running L1 spam and like clockwork soon as they take a single point of damage they start rolling away to the nearest mob or boss to coward behind.

So maybe host would be less toxic if invaders weren't such pathetic cowards.

says the dude who hides behind phantoms.

Buddy I play the tank my job is to literally be in front of everyone. How about git gud and stop being a coward hiding being npc enemies trying to L1 spam with toothpicks.

[Kleerex]

You must be new to these games. Ganking has existed for more than a decade, and DS1 even had an NPC gank (Lautrec and his pals). It's part of the game.

[Lenox]

Escrito originalmente por Kleerex:

You must be new to these games. Ganking has existed for more than a decade, and DS1 even had an NPC gank (Lautrec and his pals). It's part of the game.

F’kin Lautrec. Memories.

[Xenos]

You'd think this is twitter with everyone trying to play the "I'm the bigger victim!" card.

[Lylliana of Mirrah]

Escrito originalmente por Forest:

Escrito originalmente por Darkspirit Leliana:

says the dude who hides behind phantoms.

Buddy I play the tank my job is to literally be in front of everyone. How about git gud and stop being a coward hiding being npc enemies trying to L1 spam with toothpicks.

cope, seethe, mald, cry. still gonna hide behind PVE ♥♥♥♥♥ whatcha gonna do about it? call the FBI on me. GTFOH Fingerprint Lover.

[Miles (Tails) Prower]

Here we go again....

Evry side has its sins, so unltil we get a balance or fix, nothing you can do. Accept it, move onto next.

[MizarAce]

I always keep some of these for invaders, hopefully they will never invade again.

[BoxerDanc]

All I can say is welcome to the party OP. Keep it going. It's so weird when people have hundreds or even thousands of hours and all they do is coop.

[MULTIPASS]

Escrito originalmente por BoxerDanc:

All I can say is welcome to the party OP. Keep it going. It's so weird when people have hundreds or even thousands of hours and all they do is coop.

I'm still going, but I don't think it's weird. It's fun to play in a group and win fights, I understand that. I don't think there's an easy fix for any of it either, because there are good reasons for the way everything is set up even if it's so easy to abuse.

[Scuzz]

Escrito originalmente por Señor Brown:

Block them and move on.

I forgot I could do this. I did it all the time in DS3.

I hate the hosts that get me summoned in as a blue just so they can have a red friend kill me.