So what's going on with Melina and Ranni?

[IchigoMait]

Both seem to be linked, Melinas eye burned shut. (rune of death)
Ranni died after being burnt to a crisp. (rune of death)
Both look the same, but Ranni is just a doll, in the vicinity of a doll maker in the castle. (only reason because of the Rune of Death mark and mirror image, they don't look similar side by side)

Normally would think they both are twins, in terms twin spirits, sharing the same body.
Like Marika & Radagon, Irina & Hyetta and Yura & Shabriri dunno about others, but that seems to be a thing in that world, because of Marika who rules over it, who also combined with the Elden Beast, we've never seen any of them exist at the same time, alive that is.

Considering the lore.
Seems Ranni stole the Rune of Death, used that to kill her body only, and also killed her step brother Godwyn in spirit only, that already shows her twin was Godwyn, which ensured she would die only in body, showing that the twin thing is an ongoing thing.

For some reason she had to kill Godwyn in spirit only, for her to kill her body only. And that's probably because her father is Radagon and mother is Rennala. While Godwyn's mother is Marika, father being Godfrey. While Marika and Radagon are the same halves.

Then she bound her spirit into a doll that resembles her former master Snow Witch.
Thought maybe Melina would be the Snow Witch, but another option is that Melina is one of the assassins of Black Knives, and got cursed by the Death Rune, like Ranni herself, so the similarity could be just a red herring. Also Melina probably is a Numen like all the other assassin's of Marika's Black Knives.

Ranni's choice of doll look was based on her mentor who is called a Snow Witch, but Rennala is also a Snow Witch, but also mother of Ranni.

Also Ranni tried to save Rennala, when you had the first stage fight against Rennala, the second stage fight is an illusion made by Ranni trying to save her, even if it's not needed, Rennala still lives.

For peeps who didn't know.
Lunar Princess Ranni's Relative(s)
Radagon (father)
Queen Rennala (mother)
General Radahn (brother)

Praetor Rykard (brother)
Malenia the Severed (half-sister)
Miquella (half-brother)
Godwyn the Golden (stepbrother)
Morgott, the Omen King (stepbrother)
Mohg, Lord of Blood (stepbrother)


Conclusion.
Ranni is the daughter of Rennala and Radagon.
She stole a Rune of Death from Maliketh, and imbued the power into her assassin's of Black Knives and orchestrated her own death for freedom. She killed her stebrother's soul and her own body and bound herself to a doll in the image of her mentor Snow Witch, which is also called her mother Rennala, for the sake of not being a puppet of the gods and make a world where gods don't rule, ironic lel.

Melina is the daughter of Marika and ???.
Her purpose is to kindle the flame, she is basically a living furnace log. But she will be pissed off if you try to burn the entire world, basically making her entire existence meaningless, she won't be pissed off if you only sacrifice yourself instead of using her. But she can't get pissed off, if you sacrifice her beforehand, jokes on her.
That's pretty much it about her.

But then we have this.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jpMzm-32wp8/maxresdefault.jpg

[NineChameleon]

Publicado originalmente por IchigoMait:

That't would make Melina Marika's stepdaughter, if Radagon is the father of Melina, though would earn a spot for the butterfly logic.

Main problem is no idea who is the father of Melina, we can only speculate 2 mothers, while Marika would be the most logical choice, considering how she always talks about her, and her designs and you can't say anything bad about her designs.

Also she mentioned
"In Marika's own words. Hear me, Demigods. My children beloved. Make of thyselves that which ye desire. Be it a Lord. Be it a God. But should ye fail to become aught at all, ye will be forsaken. Amounting only to sacrifices..."
With everything else she qouted she never paused, but this time she did. So another indication of her mother being Queen Marika.

No she wouldn't be her step-daughter. Radagon and Marika are literally the same person. She would be Marika's daughter. Just born through the mechanism of Radagon. She also has red-ish hair. (Okay more pinkish red than red) Further pointing to Radagon being the father rather than her being born of Marika.
Also, her pausing in that quote, doesn't indicate that Marika is the one who birthed her. Just that Marika probably raised her. And may at some point have admonished her with this.

Children born of Marika and Godfrey had golden hair, Children of Radagon had variations on Red. The Children of Marika and Radagon are Melania and Miquella who are twins one having Red hair and one having Blonde. (also both born with what could be considered 'deformities' which is.... interesting and concerning. Melania having the unstoppable rot and Miquella being born frail but forever young. Until Mhog intervened of course....)

[Nero Nox]

Publicado originalmente por geralt:

i dont know i killed every npc for gear, also this game has no quest log so i dont know if i ever started one

in a way this is a peotic reflection on the way fs implements lore

[Fineous🔥]

Publicado originalmente por geralt:

i dont know i killed every npc for gear, also this game has no quest log so i dont know if i ever started one

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Another negative post? come on keep your cortisol levels on check...

Reading comprehension, logic and memory are awesome yo!

Also i guess you are stuck trying to kill Hyetta or Ranni and getting oneshoted so...whatever.

[zero]

Publicado originalmente por IchigoMait:

So basically the question is, why does Melina have the same Curse Mark of Rune of Death as Ranni, but mirrored, which one of the marks is the real one, and which one is the mirrored one, why are they mirrored.

she literally doesn't, the cursemark is this

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Cursemark+of+Death

a half wheel that looks like a cenipede.

i have no idea how they can be mirrored if we never actually see it on either body

[IchigoMait]

Publicado originalmente por NineChameleon:

Publicado originalmente por IchigoMait:

That't would make Melina Marika's stepdaughter, if Radagon is the father of Melina, though would earn a spot for the butterfly logic.

Main problem is no idea who is the father of Melina, we can only speculate 2 mothers, while Marika would be the most logical choice, considering how she always talks about her, and her designs and you can't say anything bad about her designs.

Also she mentioned
"In Marika's own words. Hear me, Demigods. My children beloved. Make of thyselves that which ye desire. Be it a Lord. Be it a God. But should ye fail to become aught at all, ye will be forsaken. Amounting only to sacrifices..."
With everything else she qouted she never paused, but this time she did. So another indication of her mother being Queen Marika.

No she wouldn't be her step-daughter. Radagon and Marika are literally the same person. She would be Marika's daughter. Just born through the mechanism of Radagon. She also has red-ish hair. (Okay more pinkish red than red) Further pointing to Radagon being the father rather than her being born of Marika.
Also, her pausing in that quote, doesn't indicate that Marika is the one who birthed her. Just that Marika probably raised her. And may at some point have admonished her with this.

Children born of Marika and Godfrey had golden hair, Children of Radagon had variations on Red. The Children of Marika and Radagon are Melania and Miquella who are twins one having Red hair and one having Blonde. (also both born with what could be considered 'deformities' which is.... interesting and concerning. Melania having the unstoppable rot and Miquella being born frail but forever young. Until Mhog intervened of course....)

You seem to not get it.

https://eldenring.fandom.com/wiki/Queen_Marika_the_Eternal
https://eldenring.fandom.com/wiki/Radagon

They're two halves, they are different, they prolly just change the shape of their body, but can't exist at the same time. Even if it is the "same" body, more like shared existence.
And Queen Marika and Radagon have had children with each other, no idea how that works though.
Malenia and Miquella, and probably also Melina, considering the buttrfly thing.
Seems you only latched onto the idea they are the same person and nothing else.

[Abandon Reason]

Melina, Malenia and Millicent seem to be sisters.
Ranni killed her body to get rid of the rune, you find burned body at the top of the divine tower along with the rune.

[IchigoMait]

Publicado originalmente por Abandon Reason:

Melina, Malenia and Millicent seem to be sisters.
Ranni killed her body to get rid of the rune, you find burned body at the top of the divine tower along with the rune.

Ah yeah the first part you're wrong.
Melina, Malenia and Miquella are the only sisters and brother. Millicent is from someone else, with her 4 sisters, she ain't a god.

[IchigoMait]

Publicado originalmente por zero:

Publicado originalmente por IchigoMait:

So basically the question is, why does Melina have the same Curse Mark of Rune of Death as Ranni, but mirrored, which one of the marks is the real one, and which one is the mirrored one, why are they mirrored.

she literally doesn't, the cursemark is this

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Cursemark+of+Death

a half wheel that looks like a cenipede.

i have no idea how they can be mirrored if we never actually see it on either body

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jpMzm-32wp8/maxresdefault.jpg

[zero]

Publicado originalmente por IchigoMait:

Publicado originalmente por zero:

she literally doesn't, the cursemark is this

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Cursemark+of+Death

a half wheel that looks like a cenipede.

i have no idea how they can be mirrored if we never actually see it on either body

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jpMzm-32wp8/maxresdefault.jpg

buddy i dunno how to tell you this but your evidence doesn't say anything about the cursemark of death (which i have no idea where your seeing on mel at all?)

and secondly: you do know the doll is based upon rannis mentor right? you trying to superimpose the illusionary face over mel's doesn't really prove anything when literally most generic faces in this game would also fit the bill.

the cursemark of death isn't seen on either of them, even upon ranni's real body at the top of the tower, but we do see what the mark looks like in our inventory, and it doesn't match anything you are implying

[IchigoMait]

Publicado originalmente por zero:

Publicado originalmente por IchigoMait:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jpMzm-32wp8/maxresdefault.jpg

buddy i dunno how to tell you this but your evidence doesn't say anything about the cursemark of death (which i have no idea where your seeing on mel at all?)

and secondly: you do know the doll is based upon rannis mentor right? you trying to superimpose the illusionary face over mel's doesn't really prove anything when literally most generic faces in this game would also fit the bill.

the cursemark of death isn't seen on either of them, even upon ranni's real body at the top of the tower, but we do see what the mark looks like in our inventory, and it doesn't match anything you are implying

Not the curse mark of death, which is on the body of Rannia and her stepbrother Godwyn as she herself got herself and his brother killed so she could escape from her parents basically, by binding herself to a doll in the image of her master Snow Witch, which is also called Rennala her mother.
The mark on her face was induced by herself when she bound herself.
What is the mark on Melina's face, it's different but they're the only 2 characters who are similar in that way, plus being mirrored in terms of an eye being shut and having a mark on the eye, even if the marks are different.

Read some more before spouting nonsense.

[Trehek]

Publicado originalmente por zero:

the cursemark of death isn't seen on either of them, even upon ranni's real body at the top of the tower, but we do see what the mark looks like in our inventory, and it doesn't match anything you are implying

The cursemark is on Ranni's back, as seen in the picture I linked earlier. But there isn't one on her face. Nor is there one on the Ranni doll's face or Melina's face. Also linked evidence of that.

Publicado originalmente por Abandon Reason:

Melina, Malenia and Millicent seem to be sisters.

Millicent is Malenia's daughter, together with her sisters Mary, Maureen, Amy and Polyanna. Millicent is unsure of this herself, only aware of a kinship to Malenia, but in one of Millicent's quest outcomes her father Gowry reveals that he is Millicent's father, and Malenia is the mother.

[zero]

Publicado originalmente por IchigoMait:

Publicado originalmente por zero:

buddy i dunno how to tell you this but your evidence doesn't say anything about the cursemark of death (which i have no idea where your seeing on mel at all?)

and secondly: you do know the doll is based upon rannis mentor right? you trying to superimpose the illusionary face over mel's doesn't really prove anything when literally most generic faces in this game would also fit the bill.

the cursemark of death isn't seen on either of them, even upon ranni's real body at the top of the tower, but we do see what the mark looks like in our inventory, and it doesn't match anything you are implying

Not the curse mark of death, which is on the body of Rannia and her stepbrother Godwyn as she herself got herself and his brother killed so she could escape from her parents basically, by binding herself to a doll in the image of her master Snow Witch, which is also called Rennala her mother.
The mark on her face was induced by herself when she bound herself.
What is the mark on Melina's face, it's different but they're the only 2 characters who are similar in that way, plus being mirrored in terms of an eye being shut and having a mark on the eye, even if the marks are different.

Read some more before spouting nonsense.

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/yW423BEcLLwzMzQLXXAoEB.jpg
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/jpVpdGYWrHegJMzHu73sXj.jpg

these are literally 2 different symbols.

if your gonna make leaps of logic you should try to make some smaller ones.

just because 2 people have eye markings does not mean they are related to one another.

[IchigoMait]

Publicado originalmente por zero:

Publicado originalmente por IchigoMait:

Not the curse mark of death, which is on the body of Rannia and her stepbrother Godwyn as she herself got herself and his brother killed so she could escape from her parents basically, by binding herself to a doll in the image of her master Snow Witch, which is also called Rennala her mother.
The mark on her face was induced by herself when she bound herself.
What is the mark on Melina's face, it's different but they're the only 2 characters who are similar in that way, plus being mirrored in terms of an eye being shut and having a mark on the eye, even if the marks are different.

Read some more before spouting nonsense.

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/yW423BEcLLwzMzQLXXAoEB.jpg
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/jpVpdGYWrHegJMzHu73sXj.jpg

these are literally 2 different symbols.

Did you even read what I said.
"What is the mark on Melina's face, it's different but they're the only 2 characters who are similar in that way, plus being mirrored in terms of an eye being shut and having a mark on the eye, even if the marks are different."

Blocked for being a nuisance who can't even read, and just spout ignorant crap.
Zero reading skills.
Don't give a crap about this topic anymore, if I get ♥♥♥♥ like this.

[zero]

Publicado originalmente por IchigoMait:

Publicado originalmente por zero:

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/yW423BEcLLwzMzQLXXAoEB.jpg
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/jpVpdGYWrHegJMzHu73sXj.jpg

these are literally 2 different symbols.

Did you even read what I said.
"What is the mark on Melina's face, it's different but they're the only 2 characters who are similar in that way, plus being mirrored in terms of an eye being shut and having a mark on the eye, even if the marks are different."

Blocked for being a nuisance who can't even read, and just spout ignorant crap.

lmao homeboy if your gonna make leaps dont get salty when they get pointed out.

yes they both have marks on their face: and? what else ya got?

there is literally nothing relating the two directly in game, you are simply making leaps of logic

[ɸ It That Dwells ɸ]

Nothing's on with them. Not everything needs to be connected.