Godskin Duo is the worst fight Fromsoft has ever designed

[Gan]

I can either summon for it, and feel like I am somehow missing something by not playing the game the way I like to play it.

Or

I can decide to not summon for it; and endure the least fun, least interesting endurance test of any boss Fromsoft has ever created.


There is zero balance. They both move the same speed. They both have the exact same projectile attack! There is zero design here. They just stuck 2 bosses in the same room with an arbitrarily shared health bar and went home early that day.

Imagine if they were defeated if you killed them both at once. That would provide you with a more fair and balanced challenge. The fact you would be forced to fight both bosses at once while in their second phase would be the tricky bit. That would make the boss a more acceptable length of time to defeat. That would have been fine. I don't understand why they didn't design it that way, and instead have it the horrible way it unfortunately is.

As it stands, if you aren't using sleep, or mega meta damage, and just do the fight normally, without summoning (or doing it at level 1) there is no reason to ever attack the fat one. He will just engage that stupid rolling attack that will go on for like half an hour, or until he hits you once or twice, all while the other one is still going ham on you.

Honestly, if they NEEDED to make them share one huge health bar and have them just spawn back in even when they are both dead at once.. for... some reason.. it wouldn't have been so bad if the fat one was forced to walk slower, or just not run? Or have a slower projectile... But no, he just effing SPRINTS at you the entire time.

So I fight the skinny guy for like 15 minutes with fatty on the other side of a pole the entire time, and it is the most painfully annoying and unfun process I've ever experienced in a souls game... Only to get wambo comboed by staggered effing projectiles because all of the pillars have been destroyed... Honestly F this terribly fight! F it to death. The game would be far better off if there was just... NOTHING in its place. OR... ANYTHING besides this travesty of a "boss fight".

[John Titor]

Or, third option, you can craft a couple sleep pots and start using Johnson & Johnson's No More Tears shampoo.

[Xenos]

Sleep pot are so stupidly effective against them there's literally zero reason to not use them.

You can instantly knock out Fatty with only two pots and he STAYS out for a full minute, plenty of time to use a Spirit Ash with a Blood Urn to DPS down Slim.

If Fatty wakes up, then just sleep Slim. Rinse and repeat until victory.

[Fineous🔥]

Hmmm so you had the fat f...duck,rolling and rolling for eons.
I killed a few hours ago the one at daddy Rykard house and did the same to me....now i live here farming Magma Blades.

I hope venting that helped to reduce your cortisol levels OP.

[Gan]

Originally posted by John Titor:

Or, third option, you can craft a couple sleep pots and start using Johnson & Johnson's No More Tears shampoo.

I mentioned "if you are not using sleep". And I am not.

This comment misses the point, because the fact that you can use sleep on them to trivialise the fight doesn't suddenly make it a good boss fight. What I wanted and expected was a good boss fight.

After a new player loses to them 20 times in a row, going online and being told to sleep them doesn't give that player their wasted time back. It should just be a good, balanced, well designed fight. Not garbage that is apparently meant to be exploited to just "get around it", but a good fight that is fun to learn and possible to do without relying on exploits and rng.

Imagine if O&S were just a totally garbage fight that you had to use a specific item on in order to defeat. I somehow feel like that would have left a blemish on the Souls reputation, rather than being a highlight of gaming. This fight has left a huge blemish on Fromsoft's reputation for me. And It should for others as well.

[Senki]

Nah Elden Beast is.

But Godskin duo and every other duo in the game is also up there. But at least with good builds you can beat them easily, with Elden beast no build changes how annoying the fight is.

[John Titor]

Just a side question: would Kurgan complain about having to fight two Godskins?

[Faust Wither]

HAHA 60 VIGOR GOES BRRR

[Senki]

Originally posted by Earthen Meat:

Imagine of O&S were just a totally garbage fight

It is. It's the most overrated boss fight I've ever seen and to this day I still don't get how people consider it good outside of visuals. Probably nostalgia from when ds1 first released.

It's janky af. The only good bosses in ds1 are in the dlc.

[Fineous🔥]

Counter the BS with even bigger BS OP.
You should have enough tools at your disposal to murder them. Rivers of tears (blood...) and a mimic works wonders there.

[Gan]

I feel like you wouldn't feel like Elden Beast is that bad if you tried playing through the entire game at level 1. That will teach you what bosses are good, and which ones are RNG garbage.

Originally posted by Senki:

Originally posted by Earthen Meat:

Imagine of O&S were just a totally garbage fight

It is. It's the most overrated boss fight I've ever seen and to this day I still don't get how people consider it good outside of visuals.

It's janky af. The only good bosses in ds1 are in the dlc.

Except O&S have.. you know... balanced mechanics?

Like one is big and slow in both the way he moves and the way he attacks. His health pool is much larger because of that.

The other is fast on his feet and his attacks are faster, but generally less damaging. And the fast one is the only one with a projectile attack.

It is actually 3 bosses in 1, because depending on who you defeat, the other one will become more powerful and regain their health.

vs

2 enemies with equally fast attacks/combos. Equally fast walk/run speed. Both have the exact same projectile that can literally wambo you to death once the pillars are gone. It doesn't matter which one you kill. It doesn't matter if you kill them both. There is no reason for them to share a healthbar, they just do... The room is smaller than O&S. The big one literally rolls for like a minute or until he hits you just like when you fight him solo so there's no reason to even attack him during the entire fight.

[Gan]

Originally posted by Fineous:

Counter the BS with even bigger BS OP.
You should have enough tools at your disposal to murder them. Rivers of tears (blood...) and a mimic works wonders there.

I'm doing a level 1 no summoning run. This reveals which bosses are true to the spirit off Dark Souls, and which ones... aren't.

I'm not using sleep because that isn't fighting the boss. That is avoiding fighting the boss...

A good boss fight isn't just something you should have the tools to get passed. It should be... you know, fun to fight? That is the point of this game isn't it? Fighting bosses that are fun to fight and challenging and fair? This boss is none of those things. The fact you can cheese it doesn't change that.

[John Titor]

Originally posted by Earthen Meat:

I feel like you wouldn't feel like Elden Beast is that bad if you tried playing through the entire game at level 1. That will teach you what bosses are good, and which ones are RNG garbage.

Agreed. While we're at it, I'm sick of driving on the road. I don't like driving on the road. I HATE driving on the road. I LIKE driving on the sidewalk. Clearly, the city is just going to have to widen the sidewalks, because that's how I want to drive.

[Fineous🔥]

A totally valid way to enjoy the game, even honorable i must say.
Even understanding your frustration and now looking at the big picture i say (as a eldendorkblornekiro veteran) what you are trying to do can be considered the torture porn of the souls games.

To each one his own. Best of luck.

[Gan]

Originally posted by John Titor:

Originally posted by Earthen Meat:

I feel like you wouldn't feel like Elden Beast is that bad if you tried playing through the entire game at level 1. That will teach you what bosses are good, and which ones are RNG garbage.

Agreed. While we're at it, I'm sick of driving on the road. I don't like driving on the road. I HATE driving on the road. I LIKE driving on the sidewalk. Clearly, the city is just going to have to widen the sidewalks, because that's how I want to drive.

Well... Fromsoft made a bunch of roads known for having a great and balanced drive. So... Actually, this would be more like.. I want to have the fun of driving down Fromsoft's Godskin road, only they didn't bother to finish the godskin road, and it is just a hole filled with perpetually wet cement. So when I try to have fun driving through it, it's just impossible. When I go to complain about the fact they didn't finish this road and make it good like the rest of the roads, like O&S road, everyone tells me it's my fault because I should get off the road and use the boring sidewalk of sleeping and summons.

[Dollmaker]

Originally posted by Senki:

Originally posted by Earthen Meat:

Imagine of O&S were just a totally garbage fight

It is. It's the most overrated boss fight I've ever seen and to this day I still don't get how people consider it good outside of visuals. Probably nostalgia from when ds1 first released.

It's janky af. The only good bosses in ds1 are in the dlc.

I mean, Elden Beast at worst is just annoying

Duo is straight up BS and unfair unless you cheese them.