When will they realize frenzy is broken and remove the stun?

[Drumadin]

Being stunned and lose FP because I dodge enemy attacks is just ridicules and should not be in the game. It only affects PvP and is just utter nonsense.

it is as broken as bloodflame blade and fire's deadly sin.

[Morton Koopa Jr.]

I thought the whole point of frenzy IS the stun.

[Drumadin]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Morton Koopa Jr.:

I thought the whole point of frenzy IS the stun.

If it punishes people for properly dodging then it is way past it's intentional purpose and becomes an exploit. It still burns FP and stuns when triggered.

Might aswell bring the deathblight/fires deadly sin exploit or the tree sentinel shield machine gun exploit back if we are going to say frenzy is fine.

[Morton Koopa Jr.]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Macholad Jimmy Ravage:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Morton Koopa Jr.:

I thought the whole point of frenzy IS the stun.

If it punishes people for properly dodging then it is way past it's intentional purpose and becomes an exploit. It still burns FP and stuns when triggered.

Might aswell bring the deathblight/fires deadly sin exploit or the tree sentinel shield machine gun exploit back if we are going to say frenzy is fine.

But isn't that a problem with proccing? Not the stun?

Does frenzy do anything else other than stun?

[Xengre]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Morton Koopa Jr.:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Macholad Jimmy Ravage:

If it punishes people for properly dodging then it is way past it's intentional purpose and becomes an exploit. It still burns FP and stuns when triggered.

Might aswell bring the deathblight/fires deadly sin exploit or the tree sentinel shield machine gun exploit back if we are going to say frenzy is fine.

But isn't that a problem with proccing? Not the stun?

Does frenzy do anything else other than stun?

Deals damage equal to 100+15% of the target's max HP, and causes FP loss of 30+10% of their max FP.

Think of it as kind of like a frostbite or bleed proc, but oddly adds an uncounterable stun that you can only out position and pre-trade deny.

[impuretrash2878]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Morton Koopa Jr.:

I thought the whole point of frenzy IS the stun.

that's what I was thinking. It's like removing the sleep from sleep.

I mean, I don't like being frenzied or put to sleep but that doesn't mean it should be removed. Just deal with it.

[Rhett]

I think the bigger problem is statuses going through i-frames/rolls, right? IMO anyway. At least, in PVP. In PVE, fine, but player-set statuses through rolls in PVP is questionable.

[Morton Koopa Jr.]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Xengre:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Morton Koopa Jr.:

But isn't that a problem with proccing? Not the stun?

Does frenzy do anything else other than stun?

Deals damage equal to 100+15% of the target's max HP, and causes FP loss of 30+10% of their max FP.

Think of it as kind of like a frostbite or bleed proc, but oddly adds an uncounterable stun that you can only out position and pre-trade deny.

Thanks for explaining. There's so many ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ status afflictions in this game. I didn't realize there was a percentage damage akin to bleed lmao

I just liked using my incantation for raw, multi hit damage and posture break. Recently caused frenzy for the first time using my fingerprint shield but I just see it hitting multiple times XD

[Kyutaru]

Frenzy usually builds on the user too. So it's stronger than Bleed because it's more dangerous to wield than a bleed weapon. Bleed weapons don't cause friendly fire.

[Bricky strong]

When you buy a console, then they'll realise that they were right in not respecting you.

[Friends with Benedicts]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Morton Koopa Jr.:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Xengre:

Deals damage equal to 100+15% of the target's max HP, and causes FP loss of 30+10% of their max FP.

Think of it as kind of like a frostbite or bleed proc, but oddly adds an uncounterable stun that you can only out position and pre-trade deny.

Thanks for explaining. There's so many ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ status afflictions in this game. I didn't realize there was a percentage damage akin to bleed lmao

I just liked using my incantation for raw, multi hit damage and posture break. Recently caused frenzy for the first time using my fingerprint shield but I just see it hitting multiple times XD

Which incantation?

[Drumadin]

Oprindeligt skrevet af impuretrash2878:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Morton Koopa Jr.:

I thought the whole point of frenzy IS the stun.

that's what I was thinking. It's like removing the sleep from sleep.

I mean, I don't like being frenzied or put to sleep but that doesn't mean it should be removed. Just deal with it.

There is what things are supposed to do, then there is what it's not supposed to do.

Frenzy is supposed to drive the players insane which is why the stun animation is the way it is. Yes it is cool, but when it becomes basicly uncounterable because it can proc through proper dodge rolling meaning mid roll you can be stunned and lose FP and then they get a free punish it doesn't work as intended anymore.

In a PvP scenario it has to go, simple as that. It doesn't work as it should, it is an exploit like any other bug that gives you a BS advantage people cannot really counter. If the madness proc does anything in PvE to enemies then by all means keep it that way.

But in PvP it needs to be disabled and just keep the HP and FP loss on proc. Madness is worse than Bleed as a status effect because bleed does not damage you when procced. Bleed is the only status effect that only jolts you out of a roll like frost does but applies no benefits.

Poison/Scarlet rot still ticks you down, frenzy and sleep still stuns and drains FP and frost still applies the increased damage intake. Every status effect except bleed has a benefit of proccing through dodge, but frenzy and sleep literally stuns you out of it. That is not functioning design and needs to be cut from PvP

[SadPlatty©]

>FROM releases patch to fix madness
>OP starts another thread after a few weaks about the SAME FUGGING THING being complained about pre-patch

They already nerfed some madness incants by increasing the windup and decreasing the stun anim. so you cannot be infini-locked (as players supposedly had absolutely 100% no way to counter madness before).

Now it's doing too much damage? This is exactly what is wrong with the community. Unless something a person doesn't like is made almost useless against them, it is always "OP".

And OP - to think madness/going insane wouldn't deal damage; you realize that lore wise, these people basically claw out their own eyes or they melt or whatever because of the Flame of Frenzy right? Am quite certain anything melting or ripping your eyes out slowly is going to hurt. Especially when you get hit with a concentrated beam of brain warping/eye melting fire.

[SadPlatty©]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Kyutaru:

Frenzy usually builds on the user too. So it's stronger than Bleed because it's more dangerous to wield than a bleed weapon. Bleed weapons don't cause friendly fire.

This also - on one character, I had around 35 VIG and it would knock out about 1/5th my own bar if I eye lasered too much. Also telegraphed as heck on incants and they don't exactly track, so some guy BHS'ing could win without even attacking if the madness player wasn't able to heal.

[[神] Lord Nad]

ah, yes, the daily post about *insert random status effect* being op.

[Pabbles]

It would be fine if the netcode wasn't so bad. If we had latency similar to a normal online Smash Bros match, we could rely on moving our hurtbox away from perceived hitboxes. Even the backstep would have a niche use. The way it is right now, though, you HAVE to use iframes. The positions of people and swords on the screen mean NOTHING.