Let us discuss bleed

[Drumadin]

Bleed itself is not broken, there I said it.

What is broken is the ridicules scaling bleed infused weapons has. Lets take legendary weapons as an example, they get less than 70 bleed at +10.

But regular weapons such as curved swords, spears and greatswords you infuse with bleed can get over 100. Meaning dual wielding bleed infused spears or curved swords you dual wield will together be what? Up to 220 bleed per powerstance hit?

Trying to proc bleed with legendary weapons that is not Rivers of Blood actually takes some time, even with Mohgwyn's sacred spear the build up takes some hits if we don't count Bloodboon ritual, and even then enough poise and robustness can allow you to escape the worst of the damage and avoid bleed.

The bleed damage itself is not that insane either, it has around the same damage as Frenzy, but it doesn't stun or take away any FP. The damage looks insane because it is the bleed damage and the weapon hitting you that causes the tremendous oneshot burst.

Bleed infused weapons should have the same ammount of bleed like legendary weapons do, unless it's smaller weapons such as small curved swords, straightswords, katanas, one handed axes and such.

The bleed scaling you get from bleed infused weapons and arcane builds are just way out of hand and should be cut almost in half, it should not outshine the legendary bleed weapons (Except RoB because that skill must be nerfed)

[IfNedWereHere]

You can dodge bleed. You can wait out the buffs. You can eat a Bolus.

It’s stupid and not-fun to face but there are worse things.

Bloodhound Step and Greatshield+Poke are the leading busted ♥♥♥♥ for PvP atm imo.

Status effect build up does need to be looked at but we need the exploits, bugs, and truly non-counterable strategies to be dealt with first imo

[Press K]

chewonthis eredeti hozzászólása:

Pozzy Vibes GGHF :) eredeti hozzászólása:

Showing off bleed builds with unbleedable bosses... Bleed bros... why is our IQ so LOW

Fire buddy ;) or did you forget that RoB applies that to and radagon is not immune to that.

Talk about IQ

You're correct, but what makes bleed so strong are the procs. You're just missing out on all that sweet and damage that comes from hemorrhaging.

[Mehermagerk]

IRL bane poster eredeti hozzászólása:

chewonthis eredeti hozzászólása:

Fire buddy ;) or did you forget that RoB applies that to and radagon is not immune to that.

Talk about IQ

You're correct, but what makes bleed so strong are the procs. You're just missing out on all that sweet and damage that comes from hemorrhaging.

Hell you can even go occult and still get the procs and crazy damage.

[けるみっと]

Macholad Jimmy Ravage eredeti hozzászólása:

Bleed itself is not broken, there I said it.

What is broken is the ridicules scaling bleed infused weapons has. Lets take legendary weapons as an example, they get less than 70 bleed at +10.

But regular weapons such as curved swords, spears and greatswords you infuse with bleed can get over 100. Meaning dual wielding bleed infused spears or curved swords you dual wield will together be what? Up to 220 bleed per powerstance hit?

Trying to proc bleed with legendary weapons that is not Rivers of Blood actually takes some time, even with Mohgwyn's sacred spear the build up takes some hits if we don't count Bloodboon ritual, and even then enough poise and robustness can allow you to escape the worst of the damage and avoid bleed.

The bleed damage itself is not that insane either, it has around the same damage as Frenzy, but it doesn't stun or take away any FP. The damage looks insane because it is the bleed damage and the weapon hitting you that causes the tremendous oneshot burst.

Bleed infused weapons should have the same ammount of bleed like legendary weapons do, unless it's smaller weapons such as small curved swords, straightswords, katanas, one handed axes and such.

The bleed scaling you get from bleed infused weapons and arcane builds are just way out of hand and should be cut almost in half, it should not outshine the legendary bleed weapons (Except RoB because that skill must be nerfed)

dude you cant dodge roll bleed, even you dont get hit bleed still explodes and stuns you. people just use seppuku off-hand and BHS bleed weapon main hand then 1 swing is enough to stun you. then you are dead.

[Broso]

How do you even get to that 2080 attack rating?

[chewonthis]

IRL bane poster eredeti hozzászólása:

chewonthis eredeti hozzászólása:

Fire buddy ;) or did you forget that RoB applies that to and radagon is not immune to that.

Talk about IQ

You're correct, but what makes bleed so strong are the procs. You're just missing out on all that sweet and damage that comes from hemorrhaging.

True enough but alot of the other ways to apply fire dmg are kind of slow.....I'm on pc kb/m and as you see i'm not sure if it's latency or input lag but i clearly screwed up some dodges so the easiest way for me to apply that fire dmg is quick pokes in then back off.

[UnholyDentist]

Relying on bleed alone isn't amongst strongest builds, it only works if powerstanced occult katanas with dual seppuku.

[chewonthis]

Broso eredeti hozzászólása:

How do you even get to that 2080 attack rating?

well all depends on how your setup. I was doing some testing for that particular screen with rotten wings millicents prosthesis alexandars shard and bloods exultation and white mask at the farm spot. so spam kill a bunch of enemies quickly as possible and pull up status.

It can go higher once you add in golden vow, perfumes, commanders standard, and certain physicks.

[Broso]

chewonthis eredeti hozzászólása:

Broso eredeti hozzászólása:

How do you even get to that 2080 attack rating?

well all depends on how your setup. I was doing some testing for that particular screen with rotten wings millicents prosthesis alexandars shard and bloods exultation at the farm spot.

It can go higher once you add in golden vow, perfumes, commanders standard, and certain physicks.

What was the weapon you used?

[chewonthis]

Broso eredeti hozzászólása:

chewonthis eredeti hozzászólása:

well all depends on how your setup. I was doing some testing for that particular screen with rotten wings millicents prosthesis alexandars shard and bloods exultation at the farm spot.

It can go higher once you add in golden vow, perfumes, commanders standard, and certain physicks.

What was the weapon you used?

that was a 1 handed RoB. Point being it's not bleed on it's own that is really a problem.......but if you get people who know how to setup for crazy dmg even a straight up trade both with RoB you will lose. If they seppuku whatever they have you walk into battle with like +30% soon as your near them.

[Drumadin]

Mehermagerk eredeti hozzászólása:

Hell you can bleed most people out in two hits with the right build just two and they are dead use a +25 Occult Flamberge Seppuku and bam two hit bleedout with 45 arcane

What you just said here leads back to one of my points; It is regular weapons that obtains such instableed except RoB, Mohgwyn spear, the twin blades, the rapier of the sanguine nobles doesn't proc bleed that fast.

If they nerf bleed itself then the arcane weapons except RoB and the Sanguine noble rapier be the only arcane legendary weapons with any worth.

[Endarion]

"unless it's smaller weapons such as small curved swords, straightswords, katanas, one handed axes and such."

i will never understand the logic behind this, like what do you think would make you bleed more? gettign cut by a knife or getting an arm ripped off by a greatsword?

will never understand games logic

[PK_Thunder]

The true issue with bleed is that some people think they shouldn't have to wear defensive talismans. Or space other players.

The core of the problem is an entitlement one. People wearing two sore seals and a scorpion charm and acting outraged that they died in one combo.

[Varagonax]

Macholad Jimmy Ravage eredeti hozzászólása:

Bleed itself is not broken, there I said it.

What is broken is the ridicules scaling bleed infused weapons has. Lets take legendary weapons as an example, they get less than 70 bleed at +10.

But regular weapons such as curved swords, spears and greatswords you infuse with bleed can get over 100. Meaning dual wielding bleed infused spears or curved swords you dual wield will together be what? Up to 220 bleed per powerstance hit?

Trying to proc bleed with legendary weapons that is not Rivers of Blood actually takes some time, even with Mohgwyn's sacred spear the build up takes some hits if we don't count Bloodboon ritual, and even then enough poise and robustness can allow you to escape the worst of the damage and avoid bleed.

The bleed damage itself is not that insane either, it has around the same damage as Frenzy, but it doesn't stun or take away any FP. The damage looks insane because it is the bleed damage and the weapon hitting you that causes the tremendous oneshot burst.

Bleed infused weapons should have the same ammount of bleed like legendary weapons do, unless it's smaller weapons such as small curved swords, straightswords, katanas, one handed axes and such.

The bleed scaling you get from bleed infused weapons and arcane builds are just way out of hand and should be cut almost in half, it should not outshine the legendary bleed weapons (Except RoB because that skill must be nerfed)

Yeah, I agree. Bleed as a status, is not so bad. Its still dangerous to let happen willy nilly, but if you arent braindead its not broken.

Arcane scaling being fixed was the problem, methinks. Gotta turn it down, instant bleed setups shouldn't be a thing. Bleeds should reward aggressive playing, not landing one L1.

[Varagonax]

PK_Thunder eredeti hozzászólása:

The true issue with bleed is that some people think they shouldn't have to wear defensive talismans. Or space other players.

The core of the problem is an entitlement one. People wearing two sore seals and a scorpion charm and acting outraged that they died in one combo.

I would agree, but status can build up even if you dodge currently, so its not just 40 free levels and 0 resists.

Lots of people seem to hate using defensives in this game, though. Kinda reminds me of how people used to complain about fights in MHW because roars would stunlock them, and farts would kill them because they refused to use earplugs or health boost.