Why is the soundtrack so bad compared to DS3?

[BEOWULF]

Even made by the same person... DS3 had so many memorable ones. I'm disappointed

[Kain]

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ever since ds3 leaned hard into the 'epic orchestra = good' meme there's so much excess noise in any given track that you can barely separate any instruments, and every boss has the same generic style of sound going on so everything bleeds together

No they don't, Sister Friede, Slave Knight Gael, Soul of Cinder and so on are pretty different and I can hear each instrument fine, the problem might lie with your sound system.

[Kain]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWGetAkax1E&ab_channel=YukaKitamura-Topic

From 2:20 on, it's literally the same ♥♥♥♥ you hear throughout Dark Souls 3 - hell, it's not even THAT different from the title screen music. This is what I mean, it's generic. Dark Souls 1 had more variety than this. BB was also great.

Elden Ring has more music to it, the open world is far more minamalistic in it's approach - it's not supposed to be overbearing and in your face, but play off the environment around you. Reaching the Atlus Plain and hear the majestic, but tragic, sound as you see a capital in the distance that has fallen into ruin.

https://youtu.be/DhLLoYqXebE

You don't get this stuff in Dark Souls 3.

Yes, it's a loop signifying each of his phases, makes sense thematically.

Altus Plateu is a place and not a boss fight so it doesn't need any dynamic change.

[hemorrhage911]

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ever since ds3 leaned hard into the 'epic orchestra = good' meme there's so much excess noise in any given track that you can barely separate any instruments, and every boss has the same generic style of sound going on so everything bleeds together

Dude, most of the music you hear in Elden Ring is hardly "epic orchestra". Though neither of these things are bad, even in DS3, when it comes to boss fights. They are boss fights after all. But even with boss fights, how is something like this "epic orchestra"?

https://youtu.be/qWl5wJuE-MU

[Haruspex]

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Lol what? I have to brainwashed myself to love he soundtrack in this game? I could tell you right now that it won't change in years. Maybe I'd have a different opinion on a DLC but I would flat out say the vanilla elden ring has a ♥♥♥♥ soundtrack compared to ds3 and bb.

DS3, from a simple music standpoint, is full of a lot of generic sounds dude. Also the Soul of Cinder "plin plin plon" was the epitome of what that entire game is: Fanservice to the max.

Lmfao that's elden ring. You're farming jester awards if you think those are generic sounds. Also the series begins and ends with Gwyn but you wouldn't understand that.

[Kain]

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DS3, from a simple music standpoint, is full of a lot of generic sounds dude. Also the Soul of Cinder "plin plin plon" was the epitome of what that entire game is: Fanservice to the max.

Lmfao that's elden ring. You're farming jester awards if you think those are generic sounds. Also the series begins and ends with Gwyn but you wouldn't understand that.

Exactly, not only it fits the music it's also thematically and lore friendly.

[hemorrhage911]

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From 2:20 on, it's literally the same ♥♥♥♥ you hear throughout Dark Souls 3 - hell, it's not even THAT different from the title screen music. This is what I mean, it's generic. Dark Souls 1 had more variety than this. BB was also great.

Elden Ring has more music to it, the open world is far more minamalistic in it's approach - it's not supposed to be overbearing and in your face, but play off the environment around you. Reaching the Atlus Plain and hear the majestic, but tragic, sound as you see a capital in the distance that has fallen into ruin.

https://youtu.be/DhLLoYqXebE

You don't get this stuff in Dark Souls 3.

Yes, it's a loop signifying each of his phases, makes sense thematically.

"Thematically" is a cop-out, it's still repetition - especially vocal wise.

Even with the Gundyr boss fight, it's not a bad tune but it's generic in sound. There is little to no diversity with DS3.

https://youtu.be/S7XfKAx9jGQ

Let's go to DS1, here is the Gaping Dragon - sounds like something ripped from Metroid

https://youtu.be/6ukC3N1rkzQ

Then the O&S battle music

https://youtu.be/Nsps0I58yUM

DS3 is probably the worst of the Souls music. By far.

[hemorrhage911]

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DS3, from a simple music standpoint, is full of a lot of generic sounds dude. Also the Soul of Cinder "plin plin plon" was the epitome of what that entire game is: Fanservice to the max.

Lmfao that's elden ring. You're farming jester awards if you think those are generic sounds. Also the series begins and ends with Gwyn but you wouldn't understand that.

Uh, I do understand that....which is why I said the game is fanservice to the max. By the way, because you didn't know this, Soul of Cinder was not intended to be the final boss. That was a rush in with the final year of development - which ripped the game apart. That's why the lords and the pacing you face them is off.

The main antagonist of the game was supposed to be Pontiff. Soul of Cinder, I'll repeat, is forced fanservice out of piss poor development time.

[Kain]

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Yes, it's a loop signifying each of his phases, makes sense thematically.

"Thematically" is a cop-out, it's still repetition - especially vocal wise.

Even with the Gundyr boss fight, it's not a bad tune but it's generic in sound. There is little to no diversity with DS3.

https://youtu.be/S7XfKAx9jGQ

Let's go to DS1, here is the Gaping Dragon - sounds like something ripped from Metroid

https://youtu.be/6ukC3N1rkzQ

Then the O&S battle music

https://youtu.be/Nsps0I58yUM

DS3 is probably the worst of the Souls music. By far.

So? Forces, from Susumu Hirasawa uses repetition as the bases for that music, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. And no, it's not a cop out, it's a boss fight, there are stages that the music must progress towards once requirements are met and they must still fit together.

And no, Midir, Sister Friede and Slave Knight gael for example are vastly different.

Note that I'm not criticizing Elden Ring's OST though, I just think this dismissal of Dark Souls 3 makes no sense to me. The Chords and the tempo of DS3 OST are very dynamic and change a lot depending on which character it represents. Not liking it, is fine, but I don't believe for a second it's generic and samey...... It's not as unique as DS2 OST though, now that was amazing.

[Haruspex]

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Lmfao that's elden ring. You're farming jester awards if you think those are generic sounds. Also the series begins and ends with Gwyn but you wouldn't understand that.

Uh, I do understand that....which is why I said the game is fanservice to the max. By the way, because you didn't know this, Soul of Cinder was not intended to be the final boss. That was a rush in with the final year of development - which ripped the game apart. That's why the lords and the pacing you face them is off.

The main antagonist of the game was supposed to be Pontiff. Soul of Cinder, I'll repeat, is forced fanservice out of piss poor development time.

So what does that have to do with the soundtrack or it's a better ending to the series?

[Kitsune]

I liked quite a few actually. None of them are Gael's or Alonne's, but these 2 are my favorites in the whole series, sooo...
I liked:
Godrick
Radahn
Malenia
Godskin Duo (although the fight is ♥♥♥♥ lol)
Placidusax
Fortissax
Godfrey
Radagon
Mohg, LoB
Ancestor Spirit
Elden Beast

[hemorrhage911]

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"Thematically" is a cop-out, it's still repetition - especially vocal wise.

Even with the Gundyr boss fight, it's not a bad tune but it's generic in sound. There is little to no diversity with DS3.

https://youtu.be/S7XfKAx9jGQ

Let's go to DS1, here is the Gaping Dragon - sounds like something ripped from Metroid

https://youtu.be/6ukC3N1rkzQ

Then the O&S battle music

https://youtu.be/Nsps0I58yUM

DS3 is probably the worst of the Souls music. By far.

So? Forces, from Susumu Hirasawa uses repetition as the bases for that music, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. And no, it's not a cop out, it's a boss fight, there are stages that the music must progress towards once requirements are met and they must still fit together.

And no, Midir, Sister Friede and Slave Knight gael for example are vastly different.

Dude, keep the ♥♥♥♥ up. I'm not arguing that there aren't phases in the boss fights, I'm saying that each of the tracks lead into it being generic orchestra with near beat by beat similarities with the vocals. It's like a big slab of meat, all of it leads into the same ♥♥♥♥.

I'm showing you diversity in a previous soundtrack. The Godrick soundtrack doesn't sound like Rennala, it actually fits the theme and the area that you just went into. Godrick's Stormveil Castle is very body horror, and his theme fits into that. While Rennala is very mystical. Their themes fit perfectly.

But let's go with Bloodborne, which had a lot of "in your face" orchestra - even that is done better, especially vocal wise and instrumentally it is fantastic.

https://youtu.be/PajtbXEK9cc

Dark Souls 3 is the most uninspired game from Miyazaki - it was something pushed heavily by Fromsoftware for him to do, when he wanted to do Dark Souls 2 years before. Instead they had him do Bloodborne (thank god) and then told him to do Dark Souls 3. I'm paraphrasing, but he said something along the lines of "When I wanted to work on Dark Souls 2, they told me no. When I didn't want to work on Dark Souls 3, they wanted me to work on that)

Luckily, he can work on what he wants now (for the most part) being president and all.

[Seijana]

I would point out that a superior soundtrack does not equal a superior game but I will instead say that I feel neither Elden Ring's nor Dark Souls 3's soundtrack can hold up to Code Vein's.

[Kain]

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So? Forces, from Susumu Hirasawa uses repetition as the bases for that music, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. And no, it's not a cop out, it's a boss fight, there are stages that the music must progress towards once requirements are met and they must still fit together.

And no, Midir, Sister Friede and Slave Knight gael for example are vastly different.

Dude, keep the ♥♥♥♥ up. I'm not arguing that there aren't phases in the boss fights, I'm saying that each of the tracks lead into it being generic orchestra with near beat by beat similarities with the vocals. It's like a big slab of meat, all of it leads into the same ♥♥♥♥.

I'm showing you diversity in a previous soundtrack. The Godrick soundtrack doesn't sound like Rennala, it actually fits the theme and the area that you just went into. Godrick's Stormveil Castle is very body horror, and his theme fits into that. While Rennala is very mystical. Their themes fit perfectly.

But let's go with Bloodborne, which had a lot of "in your face" orchestra - even that is done better, especially vocal wise and instrumentally it is fantastic.

https://youtu.be/PajtbXEK9cc

Dark Souls 3 is the most uninspired game from Miyazaki - it was something pushed heavily by Fromsoftware for him to do, when he wanted to do Dark Souls 2 years before. Instead they had him do Bloodborne (thank god) and then told him to do Dark Souls 3. I'm paraphrasing, but he said something along the lines of "When I wanted to work on Dark Souls 2, they told me no. When I didn't want to work on Dark Souls 3, they wanted me to work on that)

Luckily, he can work on what he wants now (for the most part) being president and all.

I know, I just disagree with you, you know that's healthy can you imagine if we all were to agree? Just chill. I made my points, you made yours, I even sent examples, if you still disagree, fine, I don't think it's generic at all and I think the OST in DS3 is very interesting.

Also, what the heck is with this part? "Dude, keep the ♥♥♥♥ up." You think I'll stop just because you didn't like what I said?

If DS3 is the most uninspired game from Miazaki though, it's irrelevant. He isn't a composer.

[MegaClaus]

Placidusax, godfrey, maliketh, radagon, elden biest, godskin duo and malenia have superb themes, only bloodborne has some slightly better ones.

[hemorrhage911]

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Uh, I do understand that....which is why I said the game is fanservice to the max. By the way, because you didn't know this, Soul of Cinder was not intended to be the final boss. That was a rush in with the final year of development - which ripped the game apart. That's why the lords and the pacing you face them is off.

The main antagonist of the game was supposed to be Pontiff. Soul of Cinder, I'll repeat, is forced fanservice out of piss poor development time.

So what does that have to do with the soundtrack or it's a better ending to the series?

...I literally just mentioned a forced reference within that theme to an already fanservice heavy boss. It's bad all around. Not every tune in DS3 is generic, but for the most part, it's heavily uninspired.

I'm not even saying Elden Ring doesn't have it's own generic tunes either - I'm not big on the apostle music or Malenia (Mostly phase 2) - which comes off as "samey" to me. But there is more diversity in Elden Ring's soundtrack compared to DS3.