Malenia's Waterflow Dance

[Dollmaker]

You know the drill by now.

Honestly, i enjoy the fight, but THIS move... its just no, i know the cheese mechanics like Bloodhound and such, but come on, if this thing cant be reliable dodged normally, then its just bs, just by reducing the tracking of her first Flurry would be enough, the other two are easy to dodge once you get the timing, but the first one is so unbelievably unforgiving with both timing and pacing that its just plain unfair.

Cause dodging to her side is only partially reliable (mostly never) cause her tracking is absurdly high on the first flurry.

If im honest, the boss fight is almost against this specific move rather than the boss itself, cause if you survive it, its easily one or two Flasks gone, depending on how lucky you get and if you arent lucky, you just die.

If it wasnt for that first Flurry, this would easily be one of the best boss fights in the game.

[Bastila Shan]

Publicado originalmente por p00se2:

im currently suffering her parry timing :lunar2019grinningpig: somewhat annoying but extremely satisfying


is it possible to properly dodge her waterfowl (3 times ) without getting hit at all ?

Yes, but the trick is to run away as soon as you agro her and let summon take agro before hitting her again.

[Amereth]

Publicado originalmente por Atech:

Publicado originalmente por MarkQWERTY:

I understand it if an enemy like Glintstone Dragon Adula have high magic resistance. But the thing is, you can still take Adula down despite being a mage or whatever. It just takes a little longer but it's not total bs and you don't have to change your build to make it viable or whatever.

For Malenia, chances are you're going to have to respec away from something like a shield build because your entire build is redundant now. That's also some bs.

But yes that first set of combo in the waterfowl dance is too unforgiving. It should be avoidable and should probably deal less damage so it doesn't 1 shot you.

I beat her with Greatshield build just fine. She heals when hitting your shield. So what? Just deal more damage to her. You are not taking any damage with your shield so you have time.

If you can't outdamage her healing the issue is your offense power.

my build is focused on critical and staggers and she was healing while i was backstabbing her...

[Amereth]

Publicado originalmente por K_TROUT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDKOYd5v2gk

and just to point out, notice what the guy is wearing...

being light will help a lot.

[Aldain]

You know, for a "Flurry" attack it sure seems to more be concerned with dealing one fatal blow rather than a sequence of them.

Normally multi-hit spam attacks are supposed to be dangerous if they hit you more than once, not if they hit you at all.

[Cacomistle]

Publicado originalmente por p00se2:

im currently suffering her parry timing :lunar2019grinningpig: somewhat annoying but extremely satisfying


is it possible to properly dodge her waterfowl (3 times ) without getting hit at all ?

Its possible to dodge at point blank. Involves running in a circle around her basically and getting her to attack in another direction.

Never got it down myself (kept getting stuck on her), and every time I messed it up I just ate the full thing. So I just dodged past her at the start. You can dodge all but 2-3 hits that way, which was only about 1 flask of damage for me.

It might be undodgeable at mid range near a wall though since you can't run and are too far away to do the circle around her trick.

[DeWyntr]

The Waterfowl Dance has an extremely advertised wind up, limited range and can be parried. If you're not confident on parrying it which I completely understand, you can literally just run out of it's range with little to no effort. Malenia is much, much harder if you're consistently locked on to the boss.

[p00se2]

Publicado originalmente por DeWyntr:

The Waterfowl Dance [...] can be parried.

video please

[MULTIPASS]

Why is bloodhound step cheese?

Here's a boss with a deadly attack that is difficult to avoid, and there's a weapon art that gives you a dodging ability powerful enough to avoid it. It's a tool that solves a specific problem. It's not best for every situation - if you don't really need bhs, you'd be missing out on better damage or utility from a different ash.

[MundM]

Publicado originalmente por DeWyntr:

The Waterfowl Dance has an extremely advertised wind up, limited range and can be parried. If you're not confident on parrying it which I completely understand, you can literally just run out of it's range with little to no effort. Malenia is much, much harder if you're consistently locked on to the boss.

Limited range? Her first jump is gigantice and you would have to run as soon as you notice she jumps up, and after her 3rd spam, she will do another jump towards you. There is no escaping the second jump to you just by running. She will catch up to you.
Parrying that thing? You sure? Even so, if you miss that, you're dead.

[Cacomistle]

Publicado originalmente por MundM:

Publicado originalmente por DeWyntr:

The Waterfowl Dance has an extremely advertised wind up, limited range and can be parried. If you're not confident on parrying it which I completely understand, you can literally just run out of it's range with little to no effort. Malenia is much, much harder if you're consistently locked on to the boss.

Limited range? Her first jump is gigantice and you would have to run as soon as you notice she jumps up, and after her 3rd spam, she will do another jump towards you. There is no escaping the second jump to you just by running. She will catch up to you.
Parrying that thing? You sure? Even so, if you miss that, you're dead.

The part of it that can't be traditionally dodged has limited range. That doesn't save you from it though because if she uses it while you're attacking her you can't outrun it.

[kronozzs]

Publicado originalmente por MundM:

Yeah, they just wanted to have that special hard boss, didn't they?

I'm now at the elder beast, but I've gotta quit for today. They let you fight 1 final boss level boss, and than another one, great design. 11/10 fair challenge. The only thing they did right here, is the lore. Yeah yeah, Malenia big baddy, hard hard, Radagoddy big baddy, surprise easter bunndy coming out of nothing, of course it's hard!

Let me guess, I Malenia jumps out of her flower to be phase 3 after Elder Beast?

honestly elden beast fight is a bit too easy. I found the fight before it harder.

[chewonthis]

She telegraphs it....without blood hounds I get out of range then dodge in then dodge out. It can be done just need to time it right and watch for the telegraph. On Ng 6 so done it 6 times no bloodhounds. Don't get it the first shot but after a few battles to get used to her moveset again i usually nail it. VId below nails it. thats how i do it.

[amathy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72_yLXmIJN4
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