Malenia, how to dodge?

[MundM]

No bs comments, please. I'm serious. i've seen a naked dude do her without getting hit. I have no idea how. That 100 hit ball attack spam always gets me. I've gotton to here second phase a few times, but I never die because of lack of healing left, but because of spam deaths.

Even some of her weaker attacks caught me in combos. I dodge the first attack while rolling backwards, but her 2nd attack in the combo hits me mid roll.
Do I have to dodge in the last ms?
Also, do poses increase their posture meter every time they got staggered? I sometimes stagger her with 4 jump attacks with my hammer, but after that, she doesn't care at all, even after more hits.

[MundM]

Publicado originalmente por Rawketts:

Publicado originalmente por MundM:

Yeah, I've notice. I was curious if she even can have the scarlet rot effect, and weirdly enough, she can, but the chip damage is way too low for most bosses at this point anyway. It helped me with MOhg, though.

From what I've read, bleed is quite effective on her if you can incorporate that somehow into your build.

First time that I fought her, I was a Azur Beam mage lol. Had to change my strats until something worked for me

I'm already using the Bloodhound's Fang, and I apply bleed resin. Still takes a lot of hits for her to bleed.

[MundM]

I know what also totally throws me off having fun fighting her? Her inconsistency of poise.

There is no indicator as to what I can interrupt and what not. Sure, the attacks where she has a wind up, that's obvious, but all her other attacks are sometimes stagger able, sometimes not. It feels random and I'm always scared to attack.

[ɸ It That Dwells ɸ]

Publicado originalmente por MundM:

I know what also totally throws me off having fun fighting her? Her inconsistency of poise.

There is no indicator as to what I can interrupt and what not. Sure, the attacks where she has a wind up, that's obvious, but all her other attacks are sometimes stagger able, sometimes not. It feels random and I'm always scared to attack.

When she dashes to the side to counter, whenever she goes for the sweeping kick, and like you said, whenever she winds up. Those are big poise moves.

I used halberd running attacks to get safe distanced pokes on her, but eventually I got comfortable doing regular attacks on her until I saw the dodge or the sweep kick.

[MundM]

♥♥♥♥ it. I'll summon help. I don't have the time to try her for days. Ishin felt fair, despite taking me hours to beat him, if he was healing himself every time he hit me, I'd never finished Sekiro, lol.

[Lucifer_]

bloodhound's step

[MundM]

Looool, 2 summons where not enough, They all die to the spam X-D

[MundM]

Publicado originalmente por Lucifer_:

bloodhound's step

I gotta try that, gonna go Katana weeb.

[Equil]

https://youtu.be/72_yLXmIJN4

For visual example.

[Na²-L]

Malenia is the fight many builds go to die to. You cited Isshin as a hard but fair fight and you're absolutely correct, Isshin is a fight you can master, Malenia is a fight you have to adapt to sadly. If you don't see the attack coming and she decides to jump in the air while you're midswing, you're as good as dead.

[MundM]

Publicado originalmente por Equil:

https://youtu.be/72_yLXmIJN4

For visual example.

Yeah well, he dodges ones, and like a miracle, he happens to stand where her next move doesn't hit. Given how the camera workd, I don't see how I could replicate it. But I already startet to at least run away for the firs ones.

[Equil]

Publicado originalmente por MundM:

Publicado originalmente por Equil:

https://youtu.be/72_yLXmIJN4

For visual example.

Yeah well, he dodges ones, and like a miracle, he happens to stand where her next move doesn't hit. Given how the camera workd, I don't see how I could replicate it. But I already startet to at least run away for the firs ones.

I usually dodge it doing the first method in the video, it's pretty consistent once you know the dodge timing and provided you start running soon as you see the telegraph of her up in the air.

[MundM]

Publicado originalmente por Lucifer_:

bloodhound's step

Katana + Bloodhound step makes phase 1 really easy, makes me sad. Never touched a katana so far in the game and just maul her phase 1. Second phase just got me with that attack where she throws those ghost attacks at you, haven't seen that, yet.
I feel like now I play as she wants me to.

[Lucifer_]

Publicado originalmente por MundM:

Publicado originalmente por Lucifer_:

bloodhound's step

Katana + Bloodhound step makes phase 1 really easy, makes me sad. Never touched a katana so far in the game and just maul her phase 1. Second phase just got me with that attack where she throws those ghost attacks at you, haven't seen that, yet.
I feel like now I play as she wants me to.

bloodhound's step is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ busted and makes the entire game a joke but sadly that's the only consistent way to beat her without spending hours on the fight or being extremely skilled with parries and ♥♥♥♥.

[Ragingfirefrog]

Bloodhound step trivializes the fight. Her waterfowl dance is the move that decides the fight for me. Her first portion of it I have to run. The second i dodge directly into her as she starts it. The third i'm able to avoid by untargeting her after dodging the second and walking forward a bit. I have to adjust depending on which way she arcs after passing me.

The first is the portion that I can't consistently escape. If I go in for an attack as she starts it, I'm screwed. If I'm backing away, I'm fine. She wasn't consistent in when she did it either. Sometimes she would do it as soon as possible and other times she would wait until more than half her health was gone. It is a rough fight.

I just beat her duel wielding her weapon after about 8 hours of trying in ng+.

[MundM]

Yeah no, not gonna make it. Even with 2 summons we won't bring her down.