Am I stupid or do faith builds suck?

[MisterRed]

I made a thread a few days asking if it was fun, since I wanted to do a faith build for my final achievement run, and the response was about 50/50 between it being unfun vs fun, playing it now, and I'm wondering if I am doing something wrong, because the build feels beyond weak rn at least. I rushed Flame of Frenzy for my attack spell, and that does decent damage, sometimes. My spell slots are Heal, Flame of Frenzy, and Flame Sling. I use a lordsworn straightsword with holy infusion. This is the first time I've struggled with Margit, who guards the Godskin Tome I need for black fire. Both my melee builds easily steamrolled the first boss, while even after grinding more than usual my faith build struggles. Am I missing a vital part of how to do this kind of build, or are there just kinda bad?

[Nerevar]

Originalmente postado por MisterRed:

Originalmente postado por Nerevar:

not true.



untrue aswell. faith is versatile. offense works just aswell as defense.





false. you can just use a different element with faith to bypass boss resistences.


so much missinformation in 1 thread.

tc youre playing it wrong.

first off. dont use the flame spells early on. instead do this : get to the artists shack grace in liurnia. just to have a checkpoint. you can just ride over there. no bosses needed. then get on torrent again and just circle around the single golden knight south of that grace. he walks along the road. he is strong but you can just kill him with ranged attacks from torrent. just keep your distance and stay moveing around him. once he dies loot the prayerbook he drops.

bring it to the turtle at the church of vows. buy LIGHTING SPEAR incantation from him afterwards and HONED BOLT.

congratz. you now have 2 offensive faith spells that do not suck. the spear is your breed and butter and the other is a spammable offensive tool once the first cast is made (or bypassed by casting something faster first) but it can only be effectively used on even ground. for anything above or below you and for bosses use lighting spear.

if the enemy is stronger charge the spear up. dont do this on fast agile bosses.

get the godslayer seal from stormveil castle. best seal for the start. get the faith talisman from liurnia while you go to the shack. its found literally on the way in ruin. nearly unguarded. bam 5 extra faith for the beginning.

use your new lighting powers to tear the early game apart. make sure you got plenty of fp and flasks for it.

use the cipher pata as your backup tool in case you run out of magic or have to kill weaklings. dont waste spears on weaklings. the cipher is a dual weapon found in roundmemehold. just jump down and run to the left inside to loot it. requires 30 faith to use tough. dont have to kill invader to grab it.

dont use holy ashes with weapons. most of them suck. in generel you wont need much melee anymore once you got lighting spear.

hope that helps. anyone who says offensive faith sucks is doing it wrong. like really. its super good if used correctly.

get frenzy burst as a long range spell for snipeing aswell requires a small trip to the eye of sauron village. no bosses needed tough.

get arcane to 12 aswell. and get rotten breath. apply rotten breath to boss. restore fp. start lobbing lighting spears till its dead. it just works.

if someone tells you this does no dmg compared to bleed builds : ignore em. anything does no dmg currently compared as bleed is broken and will get nerfed into oblivion soon.

Alright, a lot of this I can do pretty quickly, but I do have a few questions.

1. Whats the suggested Faith end level? If I want to primarily be a caster do I want 60-70 like I had for my strength and dex builds, or is it lower or higher?

2. As I mentioned in another post, I wanted to do a form of cosplay via the finger maidens, and the Winged Scythe's description and visual has a look I like, so is that a viable weapon, or is this a foolish ambition to put to rest.

3. Is there a way to bypass Stormveil to enter Liurnia? Because as I mentioned, for the first time ever, I am struggling even with Margit.

Otherwise this seems like solid advice, and I'll begin working on it in game

holy hell dude. you dont even know you can just ignore stormveil yet? you got alot to learn^^ like i said dont listen to any of these guys. they told you utter crap because they dont know better themselfs. just walk by the cliffside path on the east of the castle. its not hard to find. youll arrive at the same grace as if you go trough the throne room at the end of this path. you can also fight margit later. fully unneeded early on. only casulplayers do that.

endlevel is softcap if you wanna go pure faith its 80. 80 is softcap for any dmg stat aside arcane. but it depends on what your max level is before you stop leveling. 100. 125 150? 200? it depends on that aswell.

winged scythe is a really good early game faith weapon yes. but use it mainly as backup.
equip your seal in your MAINHAND while mounted so you can lob spells from horseback. alot of people dont seem to get this.

[the1yunico]

Originalmente postado por MisterRed:

Alright, a lot of this I can do pretty quickly, but I do have a few questions.

1. Whats the suggested Faith end level? If I want to primarily be a caster do I want 60-70 like I had for my strength and dex builds, or is it lower or higher?

2. As I mentioned in another post, I wanted to do a form of cosplay via the finger maidens, and the Winged Scythe's description and visual has a look I like, so is that a viable weapon, or is this a foolish ambition to put to rest.

3. Is there a way to bypass Stormveil to enter Liurnia? Because as I mentioned, for the first time ever, I am struggling even with Margit.

Otherwise this seems like solid advice, and I'll begin working on it in game

1. For pure Faith at least 60 but 80 is where you should stop.

2. Winged Scythe is a decent weapon but the Faith scaling only goes up to C. It is still viable up to endgame due to bleed.

3. You run past Stormveil by going on the right side where the Fortune Teller Crone is.

[Kyutaru]

Originalmente postado por Nerevar:

seriously the amount if plain bs and total clueless missinformation people gave the tc here is insane.

Yes, I agree you're spreading lots of misinformation considering even with 80 Faith and a +10 Erdtree seal, Pest Threads didn't do anywhere near as much as a buffed Blasphemous Blade build, scarcely 1k puts even Black Flame over it on that boss. Effortless my arse, you can face tank the beast with BB and still pull out a win.

But hey OP, feel free to try them all. It's what makes Faith fun and I never said I didn't use Lightning Spear for parts of the game. It's better than engaging the late game armored knights toe to toe. If you listen just to one person, especially one who negates all other opinions and considers himself the only player in the know, then you're going to have a bad time.

Faith is customizable and its bests spells are not offense, they're defensive. If you wanted to play a pure offensive caster then you should have rolled sorcery and done actually good damage with your spells.

[Nerevar]

Originalmente postado por Kyutaru:

Originalmente postado por Nerevar:

seriously the amount if plain bs and total clueless missinformation people gave the tc here is insane.

Yes, I agree you're spreading lots of misinformation considering even with 80 Faith and a +10 Erdtree seal, Pest Threads didn't do anywhere near as much as a buffed Blasphemous Blade build, scarcely 1k puts even Black Flame over it on that boss. Effortless my arse, you can face tank the beast with BB and still pull out a win.

But hey OP, feel free to try them all. It's what makes Faith fun and I never said I didn't use Lightning Spear for parts of the game. It's better than engaging the late game armored knights toe to toe. If you listen just to one person, especially one who negates all other opinions and considers himself the only player in the know, then you're going to have a bad time.

Faith is customizable and its bests spells are not offense, they're defensive. If you wanted to play a pure offensive caster then you should have rolled sorcery and done actually good damage with your spells.

you dont know how to USE pest threads given what you just said there proves me that as if used right it does easy over 5000 dmg per cast. you can end the boss with just 5-6 uses of it if done correctly.

sure go and use takers flame instead. if you want that. works too but dont come here and say pure faith offensive spells arent good. that is flat out missinformation posted by someone who hasnt used it much at all.

its best spells arent defensive either. that is just flat out wrong information. you clearly havent tryed at all.

like just go to youtube and google pest threads vs elden beast. watch the dmg it actually does if used correctly. it SHREADS ANYTHING THAT IS SUPER LARGE. and that thing IS large. if yours did 1k you USED IT WRONG. and you have to accept that fact.

i am not negateing them all. only the ones which gave bad advice clearly. you just dont notice that at all.

[Kyutaru]

Originalmente postado por Nerevar:

Originalmente postado por Kyutaru:

Yes, I agree you're spreading lots of misinformation considering even with 80 Faith and a +10 Erdtree seal, Pest Threads didn't do anywhere near as much as a buffed Blasphemous Blade build, scarcely 1k puts even Black Flame over it on that boss. Effortless my arse, you can face tank the beast with BB and still pull out a win.

But hey OP, feel free to try them all. It's what makes Faith fun and I never said I didn't use Lightning Spear for parts of the game. It's better than engaging the late game armored knights toe to toe. If you listen just to one person, especially one who negates all other opinions and considers himself the only player in the know, then you're going to have a bad time.

Faith is customizable and its bests spells are not offense, they're defensive. If you wanted to play a pure offensive caster then you should have rolled sorcery and done actually good damage with your spells.

you dont know how to USE pest threads given what you just said there proves me that as if used right it doesn easy over 5000 dmg per cast.

its best spells arent defensive either. that is just flat out wrong information. you clearly havent tryed at all.

like just go to youtube and google pest threads vs elden beast. watch the dmg it actually does if used correctly. it SHREADS ANYTHING THAT IS SUPER LARGE. and that thing IS large. if yours did 1k you USED IT WRONG. and you have to accept that fact.

i am not negateing them all. only the ones which gave bad advice clearly. you just dont notice that at all.

I have, you're confusing combined damage with individual cast damage, especially with a mimic summon present. You present no facts, only negations, and offer nothing in the form of constructive criticism, only insults. Learn and improve clueless guy. Or troll. Take your pick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYrumqmVVgU

[MisterRed]

Originalmente postado por Nerevar:

Originalmente postado por MisterRed:

Alright, a lot of this I can do pretty quickly, but I do have a few questions.

1. Whats the suggested Faith end level? If I want to primarily be a caster do I want 60-70 like I had for my strength and dex builds, or is it lower or higher?

2. As I mentioned in another post, I wanted to do a form of cosplay via the finger maidens, and the Winged Scythe's description and visual has a look I like, so is that a viable weapon, or is this a foolish ambition to put to rest.

3. Is there a way to bypass Stormveil to enter Liurnia? Because as I mentioned, for the first time ever, I am struggling even with Margit.

Otherwise this seems like solid advice, and I'll begin working on it in game

holy hell dude. you dont even know you can just ignore stormveil yet? you got alot to learn^^ like i said dont listen to any of these guys. they told you utter crap because they dont know better themselfs. just walk by the cliffside path on the east of the castle. its not hard to find. youll arrive at the same grace as if you go trough the throne room at the end of this path. you can also fight margit later. fully unneeded early on. only casulplayers do that.

endlevel is softcap if you wanna go pure faith its 80. 80 is softcap for any dmg stat aside arcane. but it depends on what your max level is before you stop leveling. 100. 125 150? 200? it depends on that aswell.

winged scythe is a really good early game faith weapon yes. but use it mainly as backup.
equip your seal in your MAINHAND while mounted so you can lob spells from horseback. alot of people dont seem to get this.

Believe it or not this is my third playthrough the game, just my first as a caster, but I'll admit I don't know everything since I'm trying to go through offline, and generally on my own.

Originalmente postado por the1yunico:

Originalmente postado por MisterRed:

Alright, a lot of this I can do pretty quickly, but I do have a few questions.

1. Whats the suggested Faith end level? If I want to primarily be a caster do I want 60-70 like I had for my strength and dex builds, or is it lower or higher?

2. As I mentioned in another post, I wanted to do a form of cosplay via the finger maidens, and the Winged Scythe's description and visual has a look I like, so is that a viable weapon, or is this a foolish ambition to put to rest.

3. Is there a way to bypass Stormveil to enter Liurnia? Because as I mentioned, for the first time ever, I am struggling even with Margit.

Otherwise this seems like solid advice, and I'll begin working on it in game

1. For pure Faith at least 60 but 80 is where you should stop.

2. Winged Scythe is a decent weapon but the Faith scaling only goes up to C. It is still viable up to endgame due to bleed.

3. You run past Stormveil by going on the right side where the Fortune Teller Crone is.

Thanks for the answers to both of you, I think I should be able to make a go of this again.

Originalmente postado por Kyutaru:

Originalmente postado por Nerevar:

seriously the amount if plain bs and total clueless missinformation people gave the tc here is insane.

Yes, I agree you're spreading lots of misinformation considering even with 80 Faith and a +10 Erdtree seal, Pest Threads didn't do anywhere near as much as a buffed Blasphemous Blade build, scarcely 1k puts even Black Flame over it on that boss. Effortless my arse, you can face tank the beast with BB and still pull out a win.

But hey OP, feel free to try them all. It's what makes Faith fun and I never said I didn't use Lightning Spear for parts of the game. It's better than engaging the late game armored knights toe to toe. If you listen just to one person, especially one who negates all other opinions and considers himself the only player in the know, then you're going to have a bad time.

Faith is customizable and its bests spells are not offense, they're defensive. If you wanted to play a pure offensive caster then you should have rolled sorcery and done actually good damage with your spells.

Also, I just think this is a good reply for the second paragraph, so thanks to everyone who replied, I'm definitely willing to try as much advice as I can, until something works out for the best for me.

[Vintorez]

Erdsteel Daggers are good pure faith melee weapons, better than Cipher Pata as the daggers gain both phsyical and holy/fire damage from your faith scaling when using sacred or flame art ashes. I find they do a good bit more damage unless the enemy is particularly weak to Holy.

[Nerevar]

Originalmente postado por Kyutaru:

Originalmente postado por Nerevar:

you dont know how to USE pest threads given what you just said there proves me that as if used right it doesn easy over 5000 dmg per cast.

its best spells arent defensive either. that is just flat out wrong information. you clearly havent tryed at all.

like just go to youtube and google pest threads vs elden beast. watch the dmg it actually does if used correctly. it SHREADS ANYTHING THAT IS SUPER LARGE. and that thing IS large. if yours did 1k you USED IT WRONG. and you have to accept that fact.

i am not negateing them all. only the ones which gave bad advice clearly. you just dont notice that at all.

I have, you're confusing combined damage with individual cast damage, especially with a mimic summon present. You present no facts, only negations, and offer nothing in the form of constructive criticism, only insults. Learn and improve clueless guy. Or troll. Take your pick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYrumqmVVgU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttSi5CQZNU

watch that instead. now get this : this is coop scaled. means the bosses hp is nearly DOUBLED and look how fast it dies to this spell. the host does nex to no dmg to it compared.

the result doesnt change with a mimic or not. in fact i havent used mimic at all when i did that.

individual cast dmg is irrelevant. total dmg is when it comes to bosses. this isnt pvp or a quick small fast moveing target.

pest threads requires you to be close to the targets hitbox. then target a part that makes the spell travel as much distance TROUGH the hitbox as possible. it deals dmg each moment it travels trough the hitbox.

[Nerevar]

Originalmente postado por Vintorez:

Erdsteel Daggers are good pure faith melee weapons, better than Cipher Pata as the daggers gain both phsyical and holy/fire damage from your faith scaling when using sacred or flame art ashes. I find they do a good bit more damage unless the enemy is particularly weak to Holy.

good point. i merely suggested the cipher as an easy to access early option. but there is alot of weapons that work. the daggers work but the 2nd one is in the royal city.

like for weapons you got tons of options for faith if you want that. but if you wanna be a spellcaster with faith you have to be a bit more picky. but there is an incant that works for ANY boss out there thankfully. its just not as braindead as sorcercy as i said before.

[Sure, Not]

i won't say you are stupid, just ignorant.
Faith build are very good, just get used to it, need approriate spell, approriate weapon.
some ash of war are fun. but mostly unique weapon are amazing.

[nameless crap]

Lots of spells are really bad, such as Flame of the Fell God and almost all the fire monk incantations. Catch Flame is good. Lightning Spear is good. Honed Bolt is good.

Godslayer incantations can be decent.
Fire Giant incantations are largely bad.
Almost no one uses Golden Order incantations. Immutable Shield is extremely good but is slow to cast and only lasts 30 seconds.
Bestial incantations are unimpressive.
Blood incantations are few but Bloodflame Blade can be good.
Crucible incantations seem bad.
No opinion on Dragon Communion or remaining Dragon Cult incantations due to inexperience.

Important to note that Clawmark Seal and Dragon Communion Seal, for example, do not work properly on something like Heal or Electrify Armament because they only count faith, not strength or arcane.

[Get Donked On]

flame grant me strength does stack with golden vow wich is something to keep in mind for late game 50% dmg boost and massive dmg negation can really help you steam roll even if you arent going full faith

[UnholyDentist]

Originalmente postado por wokro stalecheese:

Lots of spells are really bad, such as Flame of the Fell God and almost all the fire monk incantations. Catch Flame is good. Lightning Spear is good. Honed Bolt is good.

Godslayer incantations can be decent.
Fire Giant incantations are largely bad.
Almost no one uses Golden Order incantations. Immutable Shield is extremely good but is slow to cast and only lasts 30 seconds.
Bestial incantations are unimpressive.
Blood incantations are few but Bloodflame Blade can be good.
Crucible incantations seem bad.
No opinion on Dragon Communion or remaining Dragon Cult incantations due to inexperience.

Important to note that Clawmark Seal and Dragon Communion Seal, for example, do not work properly on something like Heal or Electrify Armament because they only count faith, not strength or arcane.

Dragon Cult incantations are pretty good, you can stack two seals for the effect, get incantation and lightning talisman, and you will be on lusat int spec level in regards to dps.

[𝙷𝚘𝚘𝚗𝚝𝚊]

Originalmente postado por MisterRed:

Am I stupid or do faith builds suck?

It's a tradition is FS games.

[Moe]

faith can be quite OP as ♥♥♥♥ with minimal skills.