Good faith weapons?

[Vanessa]

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[CelestialSlayer]

The great sword that black blade kindred drops is pretty good.

[Dollmaker]

Blade of Calling and Black knife as daggers, but are more Dex/Faith rather than pure Faith

Cipher Pata and Coded Sword, both pure Fth

Theres also the final boss weapons, but cant recall the names right now.

[GirthasaurusRex]

theres a decent sword that scales 100% on faith

[TyresTyco]

Envoys Longhorn.. maximum dootage. My most favourite build. For everything that is holy resistant.. I take flame art infused curved swords (one of them with flame of the redmanes).. and if that gets boring I use the small doot with marikas hammer.

Both faith scythes also are nice as backup weapons when I'm bored of dootage.. which actually never happens.

Dual Coded Sword it also super nice.

And the best thing about that is... I never even thought about using offensive incantations.

Buff yourself up to the max with.. O flame.. golden vow.. black flame protection.. and doot everything non holy resistant to the ground.

[Mixue Pizza]

Envoy's Long Horn. nuff said. Forget the rest of the trash.

[Calsetes]

I would say be wary of any weapons like the Cipher Pata. It's a fist weapon which has almost no range, so it'll be harder to hit stuff, and some stuff you literally cannot hit at certain angles despite being pressed flat against the boss because... you have that little range (Erdtree Guardians from dead-on come to mind, as does the Ancestral Spirits you fight in the two boss arenas for them.)

Secondly, it has pure Holy damage - literally nothing else. Sounds great, except there's a few bosses who are incredibly, insanely resistant to holy damage, including several endgame ones. It'll be doing great for you, up until the climax of the game, where you need your strongest weapons to fight off the strongest bosses - and the one you've likely boosted to max level and got so familiar with now does 1/5th of its damage against several of them.

I was considering switching over to Faith for those until I read up on that bit, and... yeah, just gonna rock some Star Balls or whatever they're called.

[TyresTyco]

Originally posted by Calsetes:

I would say be wary of any weapons like the Cipher Pata. It's a fist weapon which has almost no range, so it'll be harder to hit stuff, and some stuff you literally cannot hit at certain angles despite being pressed flat against the boss because... you have that little range (Erdtree Guardians from dead-on come to mind, as does the Ancestral Spirits you fight in the two boss arenas for them.)

Secondly, it has pure Holy damage - literally nothing else. Sounds great, except there's a few bosses who are incredibly, insanely resistant to holy damage, including several endgame ones. It'll be doing great for you, up until the climax of the game, where you need your strongest weapons to fight off the strongest bosses - and the one you've likely boosted to max level and got so familiar with now does 1/5th of its damage against several of them.

I was considering switching over to Faith for those until I read up on that bit, and... yeah, just gonna rock some Star Balls or whatever they're called.

You are right but lemme make one thing clear about a faith build.

You are not limited to holy dmg. When something is resistant to holy dmg.. just switch it up with one of the other faith dmg types.. like fire for example. There is no boss "heavily" resistant to both of these.

[Calsetes]

Originally posted by TyresTyco:

You are right but lemme make one thing clear about a faith build.

You are not limited to holy dmg. When something is resistant to holy dmg.. just switch it up with one of the other faith dmg types.. like fire for example. There is no boss "heavily" resistant to both of these.

Oh, it was less a warning against a Faith build, and more a warning about a weapon that does specifically pure damage of one type that would result in a wall at the end of the game and require grinding out more resources to build up something else, as well as the inherent issue with fist weapons.

If your only caveat is faith stuff, then you're good since there's a lot of options for stuff. I think Holy, Lightning, and Fire are all faith-based elements, and most regular weapons can take one of those types of damage later on without completely leaving behind physical damage in some capacity.

[Dollmaker]

Originally posted by Calsetes:

Originally posted by TyresTyco:

You are right but lemme make one thing clear about a faith build.

You are not limited to holy dmg. When something is resistant to holy dmg.. just switch it up with one of the other faith dmg types.. like fire for example. There is no boss "heavily" resistant to both of these.

Oh, it was less a warning against a Faith build, and more a warning about a weapon that does specifically pure damage of one type that would result in a wall at the end of the game and require grinding out more resources to build up something else, as well as the inherent issue with fist weapons.

If your only caveat is faith stuff, then you're good since there's a lot of options for stuff. I think Holy, Lightning, and Fire are all faith-based elements, and most regular weapons can take one of those types of damage later on without completely leaving behind physical damage in some capacity.

Flame Art, not Fire, Fire is Str.

[TyresTyco]

Originally posted by Calsetes:

Originally posted by TyresTyco:

You are right but lemme make one thing clear about a faith build.

You are not limited to holy dmg. When something is resistant to holy dmg.. just switch it up with one of the other faith dmg types.. like fire for example. There is no boss "heavily" resistant to both of these.

Oh, it was less a warning against a Faith build, and more a warning about a weapon that does specifically pure damage of one type that would result in a wall at the end of the game and require grinding out more resources to build up something else, as well as the inherent issue with fist weapons.

If your only caveat is faith stuff, then you're good since there's a lot of options for stuff. I think Holy, Lightning, and Fire are all faith-based elements, and most regular weapons can take one of those types of damage later on without completely leaving behind physical damage in some capacity.

Fair enough. It just looked like you would dismiss a faith build since most of the endgame stuff gets heavily resistant to holy.

But I agree with the cipher thing. It's nice on paper and against small enemies with a shield.. but in practice... .. meh. It really needs a tad bit more range.

And I'm not sure about lightning.. I think it doesnt scale with faith this time >.<

[Dollmaker]

Originally posted by TyresTyco:

Originally posted by Calsetes:

Oh, it was less a warning against a Faith build, and more a warning about a weapon that does specifically pure damage of one type that would result in a wall at the end of the game and require grinding out more resources to build up something else, as well as the inherent issue with fist weapons.

If your only caveat is faith stuff, then you're good since there's a lot of options for stuff. I think Holy, Lightning, and Fire are all faith-based elements, and most regular weapons can take one of those types of damage later on without completely leaving behind physical damage in some capacity.

Fair enough. It just looked like you would dismiss a faith build since most of the endgame stuff gets heavily resistant to holy.

But I agree with the cipher thing. It's nice on paper and against small enemies with a shield.. but in practice... .. meh. It really needs a tad bit more range.

And I'm not sure about lightning.. I think it doesnt scale with faith this time >.<

Yeah it scales with Dex primarily.

Going for pure Faith just isnt a good idea, its better to go hybrid, like Dex or Str with Fth, so you can have more options, unless you wanna go full caster, in which you have several different elements to play with, but gonna relay a lot on using those incantations, and some of them are quite expensive.

[Calsetes]

Side note, I hate that they have "flame" and "fire" as two similar-yet-different things, and really think they should have just called one "frenzy." Then again I was someone who was trying to figure out what "occult" did with weapons and only just now found my answer on a wiki (spoiler, it just makes it scale with arcane, while also lowering the base damage of the weapon a good deal, which seems kinda dumb to me.)

[NeonRed]

Originally posted by Calsetes:

Side note, I hate that they have "flame" and "fire" as two similar-yet-different things, and really think they should have just called one "frenzy." Then again I was someone who was trying to figure out what "occult" did with weapons and only just now found my answer on a wiki (spoiler, it just makes it scale with arcane, while also lowering the base damage of the weapon a good deal, which seems kinda dumb to me.)

Making a weapon start scaling with arcane allows it to increase the build up rate of status effects caused by it, so while you lost some damage you can now rapidly cause stuff like bleed to occur.

[Baron01]

Treespear if you like spear & shield style of play. One of few weapons that can be enchanted with spells or consumables while having non-physical damage. It is bit slow so fights like Malenia would not be great (I switched to Nakagiba for that fight). It has good reach and solid move set but mostly single target, heavy jump attack is bonkers. You can get it very early as well.

There are obvious boss weapons such as Blasphemous Blade and Sacred Relic Sword but they are late game and the later is outright broken for farming experience :)

Scythes are another solid option as long as you like the move set, which I did not. You can get 2 variants early and 3rd (Halo one) just a bit later in Caelid.

[Julymorning]

What is faith scaling with Envoys Long Horn when max upgraded?