Milenia needs a nerf.

[ReVeZePHoS.TTV]

there is only 1 issue I have with milenia, I am fine with everything to do with the bossfight except 1 single point, milenia should not heal off of blocked attacks. Milenia is known for her lifesteal, this is true, but how the hell is she stealing life without dealing damage. it doesn't make sense and it makes her incredibly broken for any strategy that doesn't stunlock her.

[stage]

Originally posted by HighLanderPony:

Originally posted by stage:

https://youtu.be/k35WGeQJOIw

Showing this as if it was a proof of anything. The argument wasn't "it isn't possible" the argument was "it's too hard". Which for the average gamer, it is. I consider myself slightly above average and it still took 6+ hours without "cheese".

It is exactly prove of that, and your comment. He beats it at lvl 1, naked, with no summons and spirits.

OP can make it more easy by using spirits, summons, upgrade weapons, bleed and fire, level up, use stagger, put points in Vigor, cheese or any combination of the above

[ReVeZePHoS.TTV]

Originally posted by stage:

Originally posted by stage:

https://youtu.be/k35WGeQJOIw

Showing this as if it was a proof of anything. The argument wasn't "it isn't possible" the argument was "it's too hard". Which for the average gamer, it is. I consider myself slightly above average and it still took 6+ hours without "cheese".

It is exactly prove of that, and your comment. He beats it at lvl 1, naked, with no summons and spirits.

OP can make it more easy by using spirits, summons, upgrade weapons, bleed and fire, level up, use stagger, put points in Vigor, cheese or any combination of the above [/quote]

what part of no summons and all damage has to come from shields did you not get. the point is, there is an entire class of weapons in the game that are almost completely unusable against her. and that fact that simply adjusting the order of operations on her actions would solve the entire situation by making only dealing damage proc her heal instead of when she is blocked shows how poorly she is designed. the entire point of this run is to fight her as legitimatly as possible, just me vs her without relying on effects which the entire playerbase acknowledges as cheese. if you dont abuse stunlocks or statprocs the fight is unbelievably hard and several weapon classes are nearly worthless.

[Typisch]

Originally posted by Daegon:

Originally posted by Typisch:

Badly designed, cause you cant beat her?

You're just a fanboy that doesn't take your time to even look at my profile to see that I already beat Malenia.
The boss it's bad designed.

how is she bad designed when you can beat her just like any other boss

[stage]

Originally posted by ReVe:

Originally posted by stage:

Showing this as if it was a proof of anything. The argument wasn't "it isn't possible" the argument was "it's too hard". Which for the average gamer, it is. I consider myself slightly above average and it still took 6+ hours without "cheese".

It is exactly prove of that, and your comment. He beats it at lvl 1, naked, with no summons and spirits.

OP can make it more easy by using spirits, summons, upgrade weapons, bleed and fire, level up, use stagger, put points in Vigor, cheese or any combination of the above

what part of no summons and all damage has to come from shields did you not get. the point is, there is an entire class of weapons in the game that are almost completely unusable against her. and that fact that simply adjusting the order of operations on her actions would solve the entire situation by making only dealing damage proc her heal instead of when she is blocked shows how poorly she is designed.

OP said any other strategy then stunlocking her.

And you say it as it is a bad thing. Is variety. You can still beat her with shields it will just take longer. Not all strategies are equally good for all bosses.

You can choose to play with the same style everywhere, is your choice does not mean is optimal.

Also if you wanna argue semantics, he beat her using a shield.

[Sonnenbank]

Originally posted by stage:

Originally posted by HighLanderPony:

Showing this as if it was a proof of anything. The argument wasn't "it isn't possible" the argument was "it's too hard". Which for the average gamer, it is. I consider myself slightly above average and it still took 6+ hours without "cheese".

It is exactly prove of that, and your comment. He beats it at lvl 1, naked, with no summons and spirits.

OP can make it more easy by using spirits, summons, upgrade weapons, bleed and fire, level up, use stagger, put points in Vigor, cheese or any combination of the above

upgrade weapon ?
I am pretty sure in the sl1 video u posted the weapon is upgraded to max....
he does 2000 damage per reposte and 600 damage with quick r1 slices :)
pretty sure he has a level 25 weapon.

people for some reason dont realise that sl1 doesnt mean "that much"
if you have fully upgraded weapons the damage is not too different

And i agree that Malenia should be adjusted a bit.
Waterfowl dance close range has such a strange and artifical pattern to dodge....
i mean yes u can learn and execute it but its still bs

but i dont agree on the shield part.
I dont think just using a shield and having autowin vs waterfowl is what should be the case
that would be far too powerfull

[Sakaay]

She is fine, it's an optional boss. You can use summons if it's too hard.

[Daegon]

Originally posted by Typisch:

Originally posted by Daegon:

You're just a fanboy that doesn't take your time to even look at my profile to see that I already beat Malenia.
The boss it's bad designed.

how is she bad designed when you can beat her just like any other boss

I already said it, the boss break the rules of break stance and stagger mechanics, she's the only boss that break this rule. That's the very definition of a bad designed boss right there.

Here's the video:
https://youtu.be/R9Vbsr3Ko7M

[Majin Boo Radley]

Originally posted by Daegon:

Originally posted by Typisch:

how is she bad designed when you can beat her just like any other boss

I already said it, the boss break the rules of break stance and stagger mechanics, she's the only boss that break this rule. That's the very definition of a bad designed boss right there.

Here's the video:
https://youtu.be/R9Vbsr3Ko7M

She's an optional superboss that's only available at the very end of the game. Nothing wrong with changing the rules a little to challenge a skilled player running a complete character build capable of steamrolling every fight before her.

[Arti_Sel]

Originally posted by ReVe:

what part of no summons and all damage has to come from shields did you not get. the point is, there is an entire class of weapons in the game that are almost completely unusable against her. and that fact that simply adjusting the order of operations on her actions would solve the entire situation by making only dealing damage proc her heal instead of when she is blocked shows how poorly she is designed. the entire point of this run is to fight her as legitimatly as possible, just me vs her without relying on effects which the entire playerbase acknowledges as cheese. if you dont abuse stunlocks or statprocs the fight is unbelievably hard and several weapon classes are nearly worthless.

I've got a revolutionary idea. How about if your weapon don't work then you switch weapon. God forbid you have to change things up once in a while.

Also just because a boss is different from other bosses, or "breaks a rule" doesn't mean that's a bad thing. I'd argue that often makes them the most memorable and best bosses. For example, Sephiroth in kh1 had a map-covering aoe oneshot move and he whopped me for like a week. I beat that boss as a kid and I still didn't cry half as much as these supposed adults.

[ReVeZePHoS.TTV]

Originally posted by Arti_Sel:

Originally posted by ReVe:

what part of no summons and all damage has to come from shields did you not get. the point is, there is an entire class of weapons in the game that are almost completely unusable against her. and that fact that simply adjusting the order of operations on her actions would solve the entire situation by making only dealing damage proc her heal instead of when she is blocked shows how poorly she is designed. the entire point of this run is to fight her as legitimatly as possible, just me vs her without relying on effects which the entire playerbase acknowledges as cheese. if you dont abuse stunlocks or statprocs the fight is unbelievably hard and several weapon classes are nearly worthless.

I've got a revolutionary idea. How about if your weapon don't work then you switch weapon. God forbid you have to change things up once in a while.

Also just because a boss is different from other bosses, or "breaks a rule" doesn't mean that's a bad thing. I'd argue that often makes them the most memorable and best bosses. For example, Sephiroth in kh1 had a map-covering aoe oneshot move and he whopped me for like a week. I beat that boss as a kid and I still didn't cry half as much as these supposed adults.

if you dont have anything more to offer to the conversation than hur hur get gud, get out of here. the point of this discussion is that unlike EVERY OTHER ENEMY IN THE GAME, malenia stops playing by the established rules the game has laid out to this point and turns into the autistic kid that didnt take their meds that morning. (screeching and cartwheels intensify)

[Nito]

Originally posted by Arti_Sel:

what part of no summons and all damage has to come from shields did you not get. the point is, there is an entire class of weapons in the game that are almost completely unusable against her. and that fact that simply adjusting the order of operations on her actions would solve the entire situation by making only dealing damage proc her heal instead of when she is blocked shows how poorly she is designed. the entire point of this run is to fight her as legitimatly as possible, just me vs her without relying on effects which the entire playerbase acknowledges as cheese. if you dont abuse stunlocks or statprocs the fight is unbelievably hard and several weapon classes are nearly worthless.

I've got a revolutionary idea. How about if your weapon don't work then you switch weapon. God forbid you have to change things up once in a while.

Also just because a boss is different from other bosses, or "breaks a rule" doesn't mean that's a bad thing. I'd argue that often makes them the most memorable and best bosses. For example, Sephiroth in kh1 had a map-covering aoe oneshot move and he whopped me for like a week. I beat that boss as a kid and I still didn't cry half as much as these supposed adults.

Oh i am going to love to love when someone tries a run with only Coded Sword it is going to be so much fun watching this person try Radaghon and Elden Beast

[FOXDUDE69]

Originally posted by Arti_Sel:

Originally posted by ReVe:

what part of no summons and all damage has to come from shields did you not get. the point is, there is an entire class of weapons in the game that are almost completely unusable against her. and that fact that simply adjusting the order of operations on her actions would solve the entire situation by making only dealing damage proc her heal instead of when she is blocked shows how poorly she is designed. the entire point of this run is to fight her as legitimatly as possible, just me vs her without relying on effects which the entire playerbase acknowledges as cheese. if you dont abuse stunlocks or statprocs the fight is unbelievably hard and several weapon classes are nearly worthless.

I've got a revolutionary idea. How about if your weapon don't work then you switch weapon. God forbid you have to change things up once in a while.

Also just because a boss is different from other bosses, or "breaks a rule" doesn't mean that's a bad thing. I'd argue that often makes them the most memorable and best bosses. For example, Sephiroth in kh1 had a map-covering aoe oneshot move and he whopped me for like a week. I beat that boss as a kid and I still didn't cry half as much as these supposed adults.

Yeah, these people forgot the first rule of Souls games "Git Gud", something everyone can do. Unless you are a game journo, there's really no excuse. The appeal of these games is that they keep you on your toes!

[hbyw618]

So what do you want from a "secret super boss" after break into the house? Just nerf her because she become "ruless" and she's not interested what the world would be?

[Nito]

IDK someone must think that the game gives you dozens of weapons and probably think that you must be able to defeat all bosses with all of them that is beyond unrealistic

[MULTIPASS]

Originally posted by Daegon:

Originally posted by Typisch:

how is she bad designed when you can beat her just like any other boss

I already said it, the boss break the rules of break stance and stagger mechanics, she's the only boss that break this rule. That's the very definition of a bad designed boss right there.

Here's the video:

Now I'd like to see a comparison to other Elden Ring bosses. It doesn't really seem surprising that bosses have poise/stance mechanics that are upgraded from basic trash mobs, otherwise you could just waltz in with a high stance damage ash of war and just stun-lock them to death with ease.

Note that the video only makes comparisons to basic ER mobs or old DS bosses, but not to any other ER bosses.

I bet if he took FotR into something like Godrick the Grafted, you'd find that he doesn't stance break during hyperarmor either. Worth checking, though.

I mean, the thrust of the video is "Malenia can't be stance broken all the time like a basic soldier mob" - seriously, imagine if that were the case. She would be the easiest fight in the game.