Margit is the worst boss

[Walker]

1) His weapon is super buggy. You can stand outside of hit still get hit by it. Meaning you get hit while you see the full weapon not even touching you but it can also go underground.

2) Normally you would learn the pattern of a boss to attack him when you can. Margit is special. He has just a few combos you can follow up with an attack. Most of his attacks have a second attack and these second attacks have a chance for a third attack but even if he doesn't do a combo he can still follow up asap with another attack.
Meaning you have to be lucky that he doesn't do that.

I think one combo where he puts his hand in the air and uses his gold weapons can be predicted. There should be some kind of indicater if he is going to use his magic or not.

3)Let's talk about the "save" hits. There is one jump where you can get a hit but you need to jump asap otherwhise he will get you with his tail but if he doesn't use his tail he can get you with his stick. The good thing is they both share the same animation so you can not predict anything and need to be lucky.
Or after his jump with the golden hammer. Even if you time it perfectly there is still a chance he does a special combo to hit you while you end your first hit.

4) Combo that you can not dodge: When he uses his hammer and his stick you need to dodge out of it but let's say you are to close you can only dodge on of them.

5) Let's not forget you need to wait very long to heal yourself otherwhise he will stop every combo to throw his dagger

I feel like this is just a terrible boss. Even if you learn his patterns there is still a chance he makes the special one that you can not dodge. He has an attack you can't really dodge and to get one of these save hits it just takes ages.

PS: You don't need to give me tips I have already beaten the boss and and this is just my opinion about his design.

[patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9MQe7tR5xQ&ab_channel=Polygon

[Carnasid]

Gotta Margitgud.

[always goon]

why is it always fingers

[The Icecream Snowman]

You get lead into Margit really early, far too early to be able to defeat him. You can't defeat him because you can't learn his attacks and timings: he can delay moves in a combo to catch you and can mix up his attacks. You could probably defeat him early if you're really fast, but Elden Ring isn't Sekiro, it's not all about learning to be faster than the boss. No, it's about summoning Black Knife Tiche and letting her do it all.

[Xengre]

1. Not sure if it going underground is relevant unless you discovered a new starting class Mole-People.

2. If you wait a moment after he attacks if there is a minor delay and he doesn't continue it is enough window to then punish him. Further, many of his attacks have little to no tracking and only attack in front of him in an arc so you can go behind him during his combos and just start R1/jump/R2 smashing. His jump attack always has room to punish.

Margit's only magic is to throw knives (super easy to avoid, if you get hit regularly just uninstall because you wont finish the game) and summoning a battle axe when low enough HP (he always jumps back for this) and you get free hits while he summons. He has no other magic... One is non-lethal and the other is one of the easiest attacks ever to avoid.

3. You can punish all of Margit's jump attacks iirc, just don't hit more than 1-2x based on weapon attack rate/spell you have. Then be prepared to dodge.

4. Combo that is infamously undodgeable since release except it can totally be dodged, isn't that hard to dodge, and we've had no issues doing no dmg runs against this boss.

Young Tarnish, you will probably not become Elden Lord.

[Xengre]

Originally posted by The Icecream Snowman:

You get lead into Margit really early, far too early to be able to defeat him. You can't defeat him because you can't learn his attacks and timings: he can delay moves in a combo to catch you and can mix up his attacks. You could probably defeat him early if you're really fast, but Elden Ring isn't Sekiro, it's not all about learning to be faster than the boss. No, it's about summoning Black Knife Tiche and letting her do it all.

Are you perhaps talking about Morgott who is a different boss (same character in story but different boss...)? You can't have Black Knife Tiche at first Margit and if you can't beat second Margitt lol... Elden Ring is definitely not about letting a spirit ash do all the work. Sure, I imagine they probably can do much of it but they're not required and you do not reach "Margit too early to be able to defeat him".

[mldb88]

Compared to the late game Margit is one of the better bosses but to break it all down:

1: the weapon is far from buggy, I’ve never had an issue with it hitting me without “hitting” me. It can be fast through, and some attacks go a little wider than you might expect.

2: Margit reacts to your positioning. The dagger slash is a prime example of this. If you go in for a hit before he regrabs his stick dodge the swings first then attack.

3: the tail swing has one of the most unique animations in his whole kit… not sure what you mean by save hits either. Again he reacts to your positioning so take a half a second to watch him before committing to an attack.

4: I’ve dodged it plenty of times, dodge roll backwards or towards him to the left, or back up a bit before so you’re out of range of the stick. Most people complain more about his spin to win combo with “undodgeable” combos, and even that is doable.

5: no you don’t. Wait until he is committing to an attack or in a recovery. Also if you’re far enough away you have more than enough time to dodge the dagger even if you do trigger it.

He’s definitely one of the hardest “first bosses” in the souls series but in no way the worst boss or unfair. It just takes more thought, keeping your cool, and understanding why he does what he does when.

[mldb88]

Originally posted by Xengre:

Originally posted by The Icecream Snowman:

You get lead into Margit really early, far too early to be able to defeat him. You can't defeat him because you can't learn his attacks and timings: he can delay moves in a combo to catch you and can mix up his attacks. You could probably defeat him early if you're really fast, but Elden Ring isn't Sekiro, it's not all about learning to be faster than the boss. No, it's about summoning Black Knife Tiche and letting her do it all.

Are you perhaps talking about Morgott who is a different boss (same character in story but different boss...)? You can't have Black Knife Tiche at first Margit and if you can't beat second Margitt lol... Elden Ring is definitely not about letting a spirit ash do all the work. Sure, I imagine they probably can do much of it but they're not required and you do not reach "Margit too early to be able to defeat him".

You can completely skip him and eventually get black knight titche but at that point he shouldn’t be hard anymore anyway….

KNIFE ugh stupid phone…

[The Icecream Snowman]

Originally posted by Xengre:

Originally posted by The Icecream Snowman:

You get lead into Margit really early, far too early to be able to defeat him. You can't defeat him because you can't learn his attacks and timings: he can delay moves in a combo to catch you and can mix up his attacks. You could probably defeat him early if you're really fast, but Elden Ring isn't Sekiro, it's not all about learning to be faster than the boss. No, it's about summoning Black Knife Tiche and letting her do it all.

Are you perhaps talking about Morgott who is a different boss (same character in story but different boss...)? You can't have Black Knife Tiche at first Margit and if you can't beat second Margitt lol... Elden Ring is definitely not about letting a spirit ash do all the work. Sure, I imagine they probably can do much of it but they're not required and you do not reach "Margit too early to be able to defeat him".

Morgott is the guy in Leyndel, Margit is the one in Stormveil Castle. I'm fully aware you don't have Black Knife Tiche when you first meet him, my point was more that there's often somebody you can summon who will significantly reduce the boss' difficulty. Summoning Rogier when you meet Margit early also demonstrates that 1) summons are levelled and 2) you can't rely on them to take all the agro and you have to help. Unless you summon Tiche, then she solos the boss.

[Xengre]

Originally posted by mldb88:

Originally posted by Xengre:

Are you perhaps talking about Morgott who is a different boss (same character in story but different boss...)? You can't have Black Knife Tiche at first Margit and if you can't beat second Margitt lol... Elden Ring is definitely not about letting a spirit ash do all the work. Sure, I imagine they probably can do much of it but they're not required and you do not reach "Margit too early to be able to defeat him".

You can completely skip him and eventually get black knight titche but at that point he shouldn’t be hard anymore anyway….

KNIFE ugh stupid phone…

If you skip too far past him he despawns and you cannot fight him in Stormveil. Not sure if it require killing Morgott or it just despawns him after reaching other conditions.

If he doesn't despawn by the time you finish Ranni's quest though... which requires beating Radahn, visiting late Liurnia Lake areas and areas like Lake of Rot then I don't think it really matters if you use Black Knife Tiche at that point. Normally, when you encounter him you should be around RL30 with +2 or 3 weapon. Black Knife Tiche's area is after Lake of Rot, which has a progress of RL 100 and +20 weapons... so OP's concern would be kind of moot.

Originally posted by The Icecream Snowman:

Morgott is the guy in Leyndel, Margit is the one in Stormveil Castle. I'm fully aware you don't have Black Knife Tiche when you first meet him, my point was more that there's often somebody you can summon who will significantly reduce the boss' difficulty. Summoning Rogier when you meet Margit early also demonstrates that 1) summons are levelled and 2) you can't rely on them to take all the agro and you have to help. Unless you summon Tiche, then she solos the boss.

Sure, there are really absurdly powerful spirit ashes but you don't have to summon them. They're by no means required to do fine in the game. I mean, you could go further and even coop. How is any of this relevant to Margit's first encounter though?

[FreakyFred]

Originally posted by Walker:

1) His weapon is super buggy. You can stand outside of hit still get hit by it. Meaning you get hit while you see the full weapon not even touching you but it can also go underground.

2) Normally you would learn the pattern of a boss to attack him when you can. Margit is special. He has just a few combos you can follow up with an attack. Most of his attacks have a second attack and these second attacks have a chance for a third attack but even if he doesn't do a combo he can still follow up asap with another attack.
Meaning you have to be lucky that he doesn't do that.

I think one combo where he puts his hand in the air and uses his gold weapons can be predicted. There should be some kind of indicater if he is going to use his magic or not.

3)Let's talk about the "save" hits. There is one jump where you can get a hit but you need to jump asap otherwhise he will get you with his tail but if he doesn't use his tail he can get you with his stick. The good thing is they both share the same animation so you can not predict anything and need to be lucky.
Or after his jump with the golden hammer. Even if you time it perfectly there is still a chance he does a special combo to hit you while you end your first hit.

4) Combo that you can not dodge: When he uses his hammer and his stick you need to dodge out of it but let's say you are to close you can only dodge on of them.

5) Let's not forget you need to wait very long to heal yourself otherwhise he will stop every combo to throw his dagger

I feel like this is just a terrible boss. Even if you learn his patterns there is still a chance he makes the special one that you can not dodge. He has an attack you can't really dodge and to get one of these save hits it just takes ages.

PS: You don't need to give me tips I have already beaten the boss and and this is just my opinion about his design.

Margit is one of the best bosses in the game. I don't see how he is even close to deserving the hate you gave. He is basically the best growing pains boss as he gives you the powerful lessons that will help you beat the game these lessions are patience, don't panic roll, don't be greedy, blocking has flaws, parry me and it's ok to leave and fight other things to get stronger. There are very few bosses on this game that do this style of teaching you while you fight and it not being thrown in your face. He is very fair and well designed I am guessing you are first starting your playthrough and if so you will come to appreciate Margit the farther you get in the game. He was easily the best designed boss in the game with godrick second. Can't wait to see you complain about late game bosses lol

[Walker]

I have already beaten the game this is my second run.
I would put Malenia and Radagon Radahn for place one and two.
You look very weak minded choosing Godrick and Margit

[patrol]

Originally posted by Walker:

I have already beaten the game this is my second run.
I would put Malenia and Radagon Radahn for place one and two.
You look very weak minded choosing Godrick and Margit

Then why are you complaining, Margit is here to basically force the souls habbits out of you and he does it pretty well

[Walker]

Originally posted by patrol:

Originally posted by Walker:

I have already beaten the game this is my second run.
I would put Malenia and Radagon Radahn for place one and two.
You look very weak minded choosing Godrick and Margit

Then why are you complaining, Margit is here to basically force the souls habbits out of you and he does it pretty well

I already explained that. I have to say the Eldenring community has quit a lot of peopel that seem to have reading problems

[FreakyFred]

Originally posted by Walker:

I have already beaten the game this is my second run.
I would put Malenia and Radagon Radahn for place one and two.
You look very weak minded choosing Godrick and Margit

Lol wait you are complaining about Margit being the worst boss and have the nerve to say that malenia, Radagon and radahn are the most fair and well designed? The only thing that saves Malenia and Radahn are the visuals which are the least important thing in making a well designed boss, those two use artificial difficulty in the from of cheap mechanics and kits which is the opposite of makes a very fair and well designed boss. It's basically the equivalent to jump scares in horror.


Radagon i assume you are not including elden beast because if you are including elden beast you are trolling at this point or didn't actually play the game. Radagon just looking at him strickly as a boss he is fair and well designed however the fact he is a final boss he leaves alot to be desired and they could have done alot better. Goddrick would have better final boss and thats not a unpopular opinion either. All they needed was buff up his stats to match the late game. Radagon got over hyped all throughout the lore and he gets over shadowed by most bosses in the game. Overall you can't complain about Margit while essentially saying malenia and radahn are the gold standard of well designed and fair. It's a massive contradiction and the fact you say I am weak minded is funny because you are complaining about Margit being unfair which is a insanely easy boss.