Colossal Weapons are GARBAGE

[Archdeacon Monseigneur]

so first of all; they are too slow, and they don't hit hard enough. buff either aspect.
secondly; all the decent/good ashes of war can't be applied to colossal weapons.

its quite obvious that certain weapon types (lul katanas) have been designed with absurd amount of favoritism, like, i am sitting here in shock over how absolutely awful colossal weapons are by comparison to even average katanas, let alone Hand of Malenia, Rivers of Blood and Moonveil.

Katanas literally have Tekken-style combo ashes of war. the Malenia one in particular swings EIGHT TIMES in quick succession applying all sorts of status effects that deals even more damage and benefit from some of the best talismans in the game, easily doing upwards of 10.000 damage in a single combo, enough to kill a boss in 2-3 successive combos.

meanwhile, if i am lucky i might pull off a 2k hit with ONE ashes of war that has a 5 second cast time on a colossal weapon while the rest of them are total garbage that does no damage, doesn't stun, doesn't apply status effects, and leaves me exposed to counter attacks and even backstabs/crits because the bloody recovery time is about 2 seconds upon combo end, outside of rolling to reset it.

conclusion; don't even experiment with weapons that aren't katanas. its the equivalent of sawing off both your legs before going on a 100 yard dash whereas using a katana will turn that 100 yard dash into a 10 yard dash.

no wonder nobody wants to play strength builds... and the funniest part is that even if you play a strength build, the katanas are still better than the weapons that are literally designed for strength builds.

absolutely atrocious.

[Archdeacon Monseigneur]

Publicado originalmente por Mepho:

Publicado originalmente por Yagger:

weight isn't an issue you can have 2 ultras and the heaviest armor and still midroll without much spent in endurance ,

Wut?
I'm sitting at 50 end, using radhan's armor (all), BHF in main and Omen in oh (dual great curved), with added beast talisman and turtle shield in OH slot.
I'm at exactly (give or take a couple units) at my midroll threshold.

The armament talisman adds 21 carry capacity if I'm not mistaken, just the swords (let's say greatsword+ruins greatsword since I don't have faith/int/arcane stats) would add more than that, even disregarding the armor.

My Guts' sword is still sitting at +16 or something, because I really wanted to go dual UGS but it's simply not worth it.
Especially since I gave bleed to the omen sword, it's like comparing an Opel Corsa to a Lamborghini Diablo, except the Diablo is cheaper too.

my sentiment exactly.
just because a weapon/weapon combo CAN be viable, doesn't mean its ideal or even good.

[Remi]

Golem's Halberd with Lion's Claw, break the game with infinite hyperarmor. Use the 140 crit damage dagger with Royal Knight's Resolve for ripostes. On bosses you can't trade with like Malenia just take Flame of the Redmanes and stunlock her. Alternatively, the axe talisman and charge attack tear for your flask make the weapon's charge attacks hit like a freight train.

Also if you really want to play the most efficient setup for killing bosses effortlessly, Katanas are close but not quite as broken as powerstanced Twinblades or Curved Swords with bleed. Those hit 4 times per jump attack iirc and running attack respectively, with seppuku that's like 800 bleed at once.

[wildnike]

Yeah this is pretty true.

Colossal weapons can be used, certain builds can make them work, but they severely fall behind compared to their peers.

Dual wielding already gives you more poise damage, AOW options, and comparable or even more damage, and ofc you don't have t go through several steps of buffs and equipment to make non-colossal dual wields workable.

This isn't even comparing the endurance investment and the ability for other builds to focus on utility spells and abilities.

Dual wielding needs some kind of nerf, like a poise debuff, and likewise colossal could deal with a faster recovery time for its swings.

[Xengre]

OP officially gave up due to being unable to actually offer evidence or counter argue so now they're just posting dumb stuff like:

Publicado originalmente por JaggSauce:

my sentiment exactly.
just because a weapon/weapon combo CAN be viable, doesn't mean its ideal or even good.

Witness someone who is incapable of git gud

[Mepho]

Publicado originalmente por Yagger:

winged crystal tear

So you were just rambling random stuff? My fault for not understanding that I guess.

Publicado originalmente por Xengre:

OP officially gave up due to being unable to actually offer evidence or counter argue so now they're just posting dumb stuff like:

Publicado originalmente por JaggSauce:

my sentiment exactly.
just because a weapon/weapon combo CAN be viable, doesn't mean its ideal or even good.

Witness someone who is incapable of git gud

You seem the dumb one tbh, what you quoted actually makes perfect sense.

It sounds like you're trying to say a bike is just as fast as a rocket because they both can move forward.

[Nerevar]

wild collosal greatsword appared.
wild collosal greatsword used giant hunt.
its super effective.
your 30 vigor host fainted.

[Xengre]

Publicado originalmente por Mepho:

Publicado originalmente por Yagger:

winged crystal tear

So you were just rambling random stuff? My fault for not understanding that I guess.

Publicado originalmente por Xengre:

OP officially gave up due to being unable to actually offer evidence or counter argue so now they're just posting dumb stuff like:

Witness someone who is incapable of git gud

You seem the dumb one tbh, what you quoted actually makes perfect sense.

It sounds like you're trying to say a bike is just as fast as a rocket because they both can move forward.

Of course you sound ridiculous. You realize OP repeatedly provided false information, was constantly disproven by numerous posters with actual video while OP gave false information claiming 28-hit videos of their Katana builds were 1-shot videos and other nonsense. Then when they were caught being wrong they chose to ignore the post and just hand-waive ignore it providing the response to you that they did, which is also still wrong, while giving up entirely disputing nit when asked for real proof supporting their claim for the nth time they've failed to prepare.

Again, so far it has been proven in PvE colossal weapons are stronger than Katana if you want to exploit jump attacks, and still very powerful even if you do not. Further, it was shown other weapons are comparable to Katana, too, even without the absurd level dump OP mentioned into Katana (I got a Straight Sword to almost same AR at RL57 vs their RL142). They keep trying to cite spamming multiple buffs, which is not only wrong but would only apply to the start of a boss fight if you wanted to go that hard as their defense. They also keep incorrectly citing you must power stance to do good with colossal which was also proven wrong. They've been repeatedly, and I do mean repeatedly, asked for a video showing non-power stance Katana doing comparable or better as they claim than these colossals and they can't provide it.

It helps if you actually know what is going on in the thread, especially when you jump to calling someone dumb only to look like a fool yourself.

[nearlyready]

Well I'm sorry but I'm going to have to idly boast here, but I finished the whole game with colossal's and no summons. Served me well.

[V4.Skunk]

Publicado originalmente por JaggSauce:

Publicado originalmente por ZAToM:

collossal weapon can stagger well

no, they can't. katanas stagger better as well. its literally only specific types of mob where the occasional use of a colossal weapon might be better, like on stone golems.
for anything else, lul just katana weebo.

Mobs don't even flinch when hit with a katana, wtf you smoking.

[landmass]

You guys can be such dorks… why are you arguing about ROB in a thread about colossal weapons?

Does everything need to be scaled to the max? Is playing ONLY meta fun for you? Colossal weapons are awesome because they are gigantic and you don’t look like a goober when you’re using one; the opposite of katana users

[Yagger]

Publicado originalmente por Mepho:

Publicado originalmente por Yagger:

winged crystal tear

So you were just rambling random stuff? My fault for not understanding that I guess.

Publicado originalmente por Xengre:

OP officially gave up due to being unable to actually offer evidence or counter argue so now they're just posting dumb stuff like:

Witness someone who is incapable of git gud

You seem the dumb one tbh, what you quoted actually makes perfect sense.

It sounds like you're trying to say a bike is just as fast as a rocket because they both can move forward.

gave you the answer, not my fault you can't comprehend it

[UnholyDentist]

Publicado originalmente por kkmmnn:

You guys can be such dorks… why are you arguing about ROB in a thread about colossal weapons?

Does everything need to be scaled to the max? Is playing ONLY meta fun for you? Colossal weapons are awesome because they are gigantic and you don’t look like a goober when you’re using one; the opposite of katana users

Size and look of a weapon is totally preferential, and adds nothing to efficiency.

[Yagger]

honestly the topic is so smoothbrained that it should be closed

[Mepho]

Publicado originalmente por Xengre:

Of course you sound ridiculous. You realize OP repeatedly provided false information, was constantly disproven by numerous posters with actual video while OP gave false information claiming 28-hit videos of their Katana builds were 1-shot videos and other nonsense. Then when they were caught being wrong they chose to ignore the post and just hand-waive ignore it providing the response to you that they did, which is also still wrong, while giving up entirely disputing nit when asked for real proof supporting their claim for the nth time they've failed to prepare.

And? That has nothing to do with what I said or the quote you provided.
Nothing of this explains why his previous statement or my previous post were untrue (even dumb).

Publicado originalmente por Xengre:

Again, so far it has been proven in PvE colossal weapons are stronger than Katana if you want to exploit jump attacks, and still very powerful even if you do not.

That's the whole point of why UGS suck. They command you spam jumping attacks and nothing else. You are indeed very smart.

Publicado originalmente por Xengre:

Further, it was shown other weapons are comparable to Katana, too, even without the absurd level dump OP mentioned into Katana (I got a Straight Sword to almost same AR at RL57 vs their RL142). They keep trying to cite spamming multiple buffs, which is not only wrong but would only apply to the start of a boss fight if you wanted to go that hard as their defense. They also keep incorrectly citing you must power stance to do good with colossal which was also proven wrong. They've been repeatedly, and I do mean repeatedly, asked for a video showing non-power stance Katana doing comparable or better as they claim than these colossals and they can't provide it.

You must use katanas since you're so fixated on them.
I'm sorry but I don't care about them. I don't care about videos or anything.
It's really a numbers issue here.
However you flip it, UGS have no place as they are in the game unless you really want to use them to the cost of gimping yourself. Which ultimately leads to spamming jump attacks which sucks.

It's not a matter of "OMG KATANAS", it might be for him although it wasn't related at all in what you quoted, It's a matter of "this class of weapons suck because I can do better with less requirements".
There is no trade off. You are sacrificing carry weight, speed, stamina, endurance and blablabla to get nothing that you could get in way easier fashion with almost any other weapon class.

The issue isn't that UGS aren't viable or katanas are so gud me godd, it's just that using UGS is annoying because it still feels like you're gimping yourself for nothing.

Publicado originalmente por Xengre:

It helps if you actually know what is going on in the thread, especially when you jump to calling someone dumb only to look like a fool yourself.

Or maybe next time you try to argue against what was actually written instead of your personal biases so you don't end up talking a lot of unrelated points and wasting everyone's time on what is basically a personal rant?

[Martimus Prime]

They're fine. OP is bad.