Colossal Weapons are GARBAGE

[Archdeacon Monseigneur]

so first of all; they are too slow, and they don't hit hard enough. buff either aspect.
secondly; all the decent/good ashes of war can't be applied to colossal weapons.

its quite obvious that certain weapon types (lul katanas) have been designed with absurd amount of favoritism, like, i am sitting here in shock over how absolutely awful colossal weapons are by comparison to even average katanas, let alone Hand of Malenia, Rivers of Blood and Moonveil.

Katanas literally have Tekken-style combo ashes of war. the Malenia one in particular swings EIGHT TIMES in quick succession applying all sorts of status effects that deals even more damage and benefit from some of the best talismans in the game, easily doing upwards of 10.000 damage in a single combo, enough to kill a boss in 2-3 successive combos.

meanwhile, if i am lucky i might pull off a 2k hit with ONE ashes of war that has a 5 second cast time on a colossal weapon while the rest of them are total garbage that does no damage, doesn't stun, doesn't apply status effects, and leaves me exposed to counter attacks and even backstabs/crits because the bloody recovery time is about 2 seconds upon combo end, outside of rolling to reset it.

conclusion; don't even experiment with weapons that aren't katanas. its the equivalent of sawing off both your legs before going on a 100 yard dash whereas using a katana will turn that 100 yard dash into a 10 yard dash.

no wonder nobody wants to play strength builds... and the funniest part is that even if you play a strength build, the katanas are still better than the weapons that are literally designed for strength builds.

absolutely atrocious.

[ZAToM]

collossals have good reach

[bunies]

you do realise katanas cant stagger worth a ♥♥♥♥ right ??? like thats whatg big weapons do you stagger then just crit someone, getting off a full combo is a hole lot harder then stuning someone non stop

[Foosty]

@OP

I absolutely refuse to use a katana XD They're so *basic* and easy, I can't stand it.

But I feel your pain. I've got two characters going right now, one is whips and fists and the other is greatshield only. There are so few options and compatible aow for either as it is and if you look at all the greatshields in the game, you can't infuse on any of the decent ones. I've basically just been stuck with the bleed palisade through the whole game because my only real alternative is the *ugh* fingerprint shield.

[Projekti koordinaattori]

Publicado originalmente por Yagger:

Publicado originalmente por JaggSauce:

can they take down bosses as easily as a simple RoB though?
i am specifically looking for something that is equally as good, or better than katanas. no half measures.

anyone using ultras smart enough can easily take down any boss including malenia , without needing an ash of war at that

My original was greatshield and zweihander for Malenia. I can state that Malenia is doable, got phase 2 down to 10%ish three times. That being said, that was hours of trying. Then I heard that zweihander is by far the worst colossal, so I turned to my old friend guts's greatsword, but that didn't feel any different really. Boss just felt like BS and I decided that I'm not gonna wait for that good run which eventually happens. I had spend probably 5 to 7 hours on Malenia, I was hard stuck.

I complained to a friend who then asked me "have you tried dual-weildin 2 colossals",to which I replied "Lol, ofc not, that's gonna be so slow and even twohanding is not fast enough" Well I gave dualwielding a chance and third try and felt actually easy. Both deaths were in phase 2 where I knew that I clearly made a mistake.

I conclusion I don't see zweihander+greatshield as viable for Malenia. Sure there's hitless kills on all bosses with all weapons, but those are outliers same as people who consider the first boss impossible since they have no clue how to play the game.

Also this was prebuff, so don't know how colossals are now. But I'd say they dropped the ball when dualweilding is by far the best way to use them.

[Sneaky_Bugger]

Not sure about the garbage statement. I played the second half of the game with colossals. Pretty much settled on a few including the Giant Slayer Hammer ( I think that´s the name) and while being pretty slow if you know how to create openings it´s pretty strong.
Some might call it cheese but using the FromSoft AI mechanics against the AI works super good and pretty much every "no hit runner" does it afaik. So instead of spamming RoB or some crazy magic, you can simply use "skill" to enjoy the game. But to each their own I guess. To me using some broken things and finish bosses in less than a minute is no fun at all.
In pvp colossals/great weapons are the best counter to all those RoB spammers. So not sure why one would claim them "garbage".

[Endarion]

while i 100% agree the game has an extreme favoritism to katans i don't think colossals are that bad, or at leats i love the royal gretsword and the golem halberd with prayerfull strike

[Archdeacon Monseigneur]

Publicado originalmente por OutSeal:

while i 100% agree the game has an extreme favoritism to katans i don't think colossals are that bad, or at leats i love the royal gretsword and the golem halberd with prayerfull strike

the thing is, outside that niche spec where one has to powerstance and use 4-5 buffs just to reach the casual damage of an ROB combo or two is what bothers me. its not worth investing in their usage whatsoever, and i desperately want it to work because i feel dirty using katanas, but the fact of the matter is that katanas/ROB is simply the best option there is.

honestly i think the game would be better off if weapons like ROB and Moonveil were outright deleted from the game, because suddenly we'd have a much larger variety of viable weapons as a result.

try to make colossal weapon work?; inefficient, going back to ROB
try to make inseperable sword work because RP as a paladin is cool?; inefficient going back to ROB.
try to make literal godslayer weapons work?; inefficient, going back to ROB.

no matter what i try out, its just not as good as simply cheesing the game with ROB.
ROB ROB ROB... those 3 letters haunt my dreams.

[vamirez]

Currently on my 2nd run with a STR based char, now level 105ish, using zweihander with "flame of the Redmanes", Godrick's axe and Ghiza's wheel - works wonderfully. Definitely do bother with any weapon you want.

[Endarion]

Publicado originalmente por JaggSauce:

Publicado originalmente por OutSeal:

while i 100% agree the game has an extreme favoritism to katans i don't think colossals are that bad, or at leats i love the royal gretsword and the golem halberd with prayerfull strike

the thing is, outside that niche spec where one has to powerstance and use 4-5 buffs just to reach the casual damage of an ROB combo or two is what bothers me. its not worth investing in their usage whatsoever, and i desperately want it to work because i feel dirty using katanas, but the fact of the matter is that katanas/ROB is simply the best option there is.

honestly i think the game would be better off if weapons like ROB and Moonveil were outright deleted from the game, because suddenly we'd have a much larger variety of viable weapons as a result.

try to make colossal weapon work?; inefficient, going back to ROB
try to make inseperable sword work because RP as a paladin is cool?; inefficient going back to ROB.
try to make literal godslayer weapons work?; inefficient, going back to ROB.

no matter what i try out, its just not as good as simply cheesing the game with ROB.
ROB ROB ROB... those 3 letters haunt my dreams.

the godslayer gretsword is actually kinda good tho, the AOW is slow but deal a ton of damage, and being a fire based weapon using flame grant me strength works wonder on it
not to mention it has the fastest R1 moveset of all colossal gretsword

[♔V3RD1CT]

Everything is garbage, especially the ppl. Just look at the cesspool I get to report today. <3

[Xengre]

Publicado originalmente por JaggSauce:

Publicado originalmente por OutSeal:

while i 100% agree the game has an extreme favoritism to katans i don't think colossals are that bad, or at leats i love the royal gretsword and the golem halberd with prayerfull strike

the thing is, outside that niche spec where one has to powerstance and use 4-5 buffs just to reach the casual damage of an ROB combo or two is what bothers me. its not worth investing in their usage whatsoever, and i desperately want it to work because i feel dirty using katanas, but the fact of the matter is that katanas/ROB is simply the best option there is.

You were already proven wrong about this. I'm not sure why you keep spreading false information. You were shown it can be trounced in 1-2 sub 2s cast buffs on the weapon ash. If you want to go hard you can cast another buff or two but it isn't really necessary. If you do, though, RoB doesn't even come close (1-h beating your 28 hit RoB video you kept calling a 1-hit and keep pretending you don't see yourself being corrected on...) You've also yet to show RoB doing anywhere near the PvE dmg.

You still haven't shown proper videos of RoB competing with katana, using a single one vs a single colossal, much less power stanced for either.

This obviously isn't a real discussion. You just want to give fake information.

[Archdeacon Monseigneur]

Publicado originalmente por Xengre:

Publicado originalmente por JaggSauce:

the thing is, outside that niche spec where one has to powerstance and use 4-5 buffs just to reach the casual damage of an ROB combo or two is what bothers me. its not worth investing in their usage whatsoever, and i desperately want it to work because i feel dirty using katanas, but the fact of the matter is that katanas/ROB is simply the best option there is.

You were already proven wrong about this. I'm not sure why you keep spreading false information. You were shown it can be trounced in 1-2 sub 2s cast buffs on the weapon ash. If you want to go hard you can cast another buff or two but it isn't really necessary. If you do, though, RoB doesn't even come close (1-h beating your 28 hit RoB video you kept calling a 1-hit and keep pretending you don't see yourself being corrected on...) You've also yet to show RoB doing anywhere near the PvE dmg.

You still haven't shown proper videos of RoB competing with katana, using a single one vs a single colossal, much less power stanced for either.

This obviously isn't a real discussion. You just want to give fake information.

uhm no, i was shown a video of a guy who uses powerstanced colossal weapons with 4+ buffs just to reach good jump attack damage, and it was utterly unimpressive tbh.
did it do 9k? yes, i admitted that. ok. but its still not ideal if i have to stop for a minute every 30 seconds to reapply buffs, its completely FP ineffective.

let me clarify, i am looking for a colossal weapon that can be used WITHOUT having to powerstance and apply a gazillion buffs for it to be even remotely as effective as a simple ROB combo.

it doesn't exist.

That's the problem.

[Mepho]

Publicado originalmente por Yagger:

Publicado originalmente por Bricky strong:

They're still a little too heavy. If they hit harder it would be nice. Up all there scaling 1 up B to A, A to S.

weight isn't an issue you can have 2 ultras and the heaviest armor and still midroll without much spent in endurance ,

Wut?
I'm sitting at 50 end, using radhan's armor (all), BHF in main and Omen in oh (dual great curved), with added beast talisman and turtle shield in OH slot.
I'm at exactly (give or take a couple units) at my midroll threshold.

The armament talisman adds 21 carry capacity if I'm not mistaken, just the swords (let's say greatsword+ruins greatsword since I don't have faith/int/arcane stats) would add more than that, even disregarding the armor.

My Guts' sword is still sitting at +16 or something, because I really wanted to go dual UGS but it's simply not worth it.
Especially since I gave bleed to the omen sword, it's like comparing an Opel Corsa to a Lamborghini Diablo, except the Diablo is cheaper too.

[Xengre]

Publicado originalmente por JaggSauce:

Publicado originalmente por Xengre:

You were already proven wrong about this. I'm not sure why you keep spreading false information. You were shown it can be trounced in 1-2 sub 2s cast buffs on the weapon ash. If you want to go hard you can cast another buff or two but it isn't really necessary. If you do, though, RoB doesn't even come close (1-h beating your 28 hit RoB video you kept calling a 1-hit and keep pretending you don't see yourself being corrected on...) You've also yet to show RoB doing anywhere near the PvE dmg.

You still haven't shown proper videos of RoB competing with katana, using a single one vs a single colossal, much less power stanced for either.

This obviously isn't a real discussion. You just want to give fake information.

uhm no, i was shown a video of a guy who uses powerstanced colossal weapons with 4+ buffs just to reach good jump attack damage, and it was utterly unimpressive tbh.
did it do 9k? yes, i admitted that. ok. but its still not ideal if i have to stop for a minute every 30 seconds to reapply buffs, its completely FP ineffective.

let me clarify, i am looking for a colossal weapon that can be used WITHOUT having to powerstance and apply a gazillion buffs for it to be even remotely as effective as a simple ROB combo.

it doesn't exist.

That's the problem.

No, you were shown a video where someone used 4 buffs in some clips and 2 weapon ash buffs in about half the others where they were still doing over 5K. The two weapon ash ones took under 2 seconds to cast both. As for the other two buffs when they were doing 7.5-9.7k having to cast 1-2 buffs a "sing'e time" before a boss fight to 1-2 shot a boss well before they run out is totally non-issue. Why would you stop "every 30s" to rebuff when the boss was dead in the first 5 seconds??? For trash mobs and even most bosses you wouldn't even need those two extra buffs. The build wasn't even optimized, either, as it could have been stronger while still being convenient (or even more convenient arguably)..

Meanwhile, you showed a video claiming a boss got 1-shot with the katana build but it was 28 hits... You have totally failed to provide any evidence of Katana being superior in PvE to colossal, even with Seppuku and much less so without it, while also being proven wrong about Katana being immensely superior to everything else. In fact, you were even shown a RL 57 Straight Sword build having almost the same AR as your claimed RL 142 no vigor possible arcane katana build because apparently spending 2.5x the levels for a 16% AR boost and zero hp is worth it.

FYI, again, you can still do colossal jump attacks for over 6.5k even WITHOUT power stancing two colossal weapons.

No, no... Let ME clarify that you have not shown this amazing RoB build you've been harping, without powerstancing, that competes with colossal weapons. I'd love to see you show this amazing build, stats and all.

[Yagger]

Publicado originalmente por Mepho:

Publicado originalmente por Yagger:

weight isn't an issue you can have 2 ultras and the heaviest armor and still midroll without much spent in endurance ,

Wut?
I'm sitting at 50 end, using radhan's armor (all), BHF in main and Omen in oh (dual great curved), with added beast talisman and turtle shield in OH slot.
I'm at exactly (give or take a couple units) at my midroll threshold.

The armament talisman adds 21 carry capacity if I'm not mistaken, just the swords (let's say greatsword+ruins greatsword since I don't have faith/int/arcane stats) would add more than that, even disregarding the armor.

My Guts' sword is still sitting at +16 or something, because I really wanted to go dual UGS but it's simply not worth it.
Especially since I gave bleed to the omen sword, it's like comparing an Opel Corsa to a Lamborghini Diablo, except the Diablo is cheaper too.

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