Allow mods or remove EAC

[Crimzarkin]

Elden Ring has insane modding potential, maybe even more than SKYRIM. However, EAC keeps getting in the way of the modding scene by banning those who use mods such as fps unlock, Reshade, Mod Armor and weapons etc.

If from really wants this game to thrive they must allow mods to be used online and specially the upcoming seamless coop mod to work. These few mods alone motivate me to keep sticking with the game specially the seamless coop one. Now imagine parkour mods, monster hunter mods, anime character mods etc online with your friends. One of the main reasons I got this on PC was mod support.

However, if from continues using EAC and banning those who use mods online then this game's online might die at a similar pace to DS1.

Mainly because unlike previous games completing ER requires you to put in around 30 hours or more with few side activities involved compared to the 10 or so hours in previous games, which many including I find quite demotivating to go ng+ and access no new content at the cost of all my world progress.

What are your thoughts, should we start a petition or something? lol.

[King of Games]

Publicado originalmente por Paradox:

Publicado originalmente por King of Games:

"Playing the game in offline mode = Piracy"
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"Offline" is usually code for piracy, because who'd pay for a game they can't actually play completely. I was curious if that was what he meant. I suppose it's entirely possible he's just a tool/troll.

You cannot run most mods online due to EAC, some people say theyve been able to use wide screen and a few other mods, but the majority of mods will be flagged by EAC and set the game to Offline mode.
Or if happen to not have internet, or simple dont want EAC running while playing singleplayer you run the game in Offline mode

[Paradox]

Publicado originalmente por King of Games:

Publicado originalmente por Paradox:

"Offline" is usually code for piracy, because who'd pay for a game they can't actually play completely. I was curious if that was what he meant. I suppose it's entirely possible he's just a tool/troll.

You cannot run most mods online due to EAC, some people say theyve been able to use wide screen and a few other mods, but the majority of mods will be flagged by EAC and set the game to Offline mode.
Or if happen to not have internet, or simple dont want EAC running while playing singleplayer you run the game in Offline mode

Sure, but that kind of defeats the purpose. You can't play the full game offline, so you can't play the game modded (because it forces you offline). It's a disingenuous argument to say, "you can play the game modded offline" - hence, why it's usually a code for piracy.

Ofc, I hear there's work being done to psuedo-enable online with mods, via a mod. IE coop only with ppl you know. So, tell me, who should I pay FS or the guy making that mod to make the game playable? There should of just been two player pools from the beginning for online play (EAC on/off). They should embrace the mod community not try to snuff them out. This isn't new, it's been around for decades (having multiple player pools).

[Krakers]

Publicado originalmente por Paradox:

Publicado originalmente por King of Games:

You cannot run most mods online due to EAC, some people say theyve been able to use wide screen and a few other mods, but the majority of mods will be flagged by EAC and set the game to Offline mode.
Or if happen to not have internet, or simple dont want EAC running while playing singleplayer you run the game in Offline mode

Sure, but that kind of defeats the purpose. You can't play the full game offline, so you can't play the game modded (because it forces you offline). It's a disingenuous argument to say, "you can play the game modded offline" - hence, why it's usually a code for piracy.

Ofc, I hear there's work being done to psuedo-enable online with mods, via a mod. IE coop only with ppl you know. So, tell me, who should I pay FS or the guy making that mod to make the game playable? There should of just been two player pools from the beginning for online play (EAC on/off). They should embrace the mod community not try to snuff them out. This isn't new, it's been around for decades (having multiple player pools).

I have no idea wher you come from, but it is a first time I hear that "offline" is a code for piracy. I could as well say here that: "using mods while online is a code for cheating/hacking", which would be probably more accurate (especially looking at previous DS games). So are you advocating for cheating?

Anyway, you still can play a "full game" even offline, since ER in non-online only game, where online is a small and optional module. Believe me or not, many people prefer playing DS1-3 (or ER in this case) offline, as they are not interested in coop/invasions and are annoyed by signs/bloodstains. So for them the offline is a full fledged product. This is why many people do not mind using mods while being forced into offline.

And FS/Bandain never embraced the mod community (even in DS1-3 using mods mas on your own risk and you still could get banned), so I do not think that they will change their stance anytime soon. And splitting community/pool is something that most people here are against (when you look at other topics).

[ComeGetYoWings]

i dunno, looks like you either gotta get a pirated version (whilst buying and owning the actual game too) then mod that one to your hearts content with seperate saves from the official game's saves, or take the L on the game system's ban but be able to play on the same lobby as your friend's in the seamless co-op you're talking about, if it doesn't get anyone banned thats a one up, all in all i think this might be the only game where you gotta pay a price if you want to have as much fun as you may have had modding skyrim or other sorts of moddable games since i'm tempted just as bad here too.

[Krakers]

Publicado originalmente por Mr-GJ827:

i dunno, looks like you either gotta get a pirated version (whilst buying and owning the actual game too) then mod that one to your hearts content with seperate saves from the official game's saves, or take the L on the game system's ban but be able to play on the same lobby as your friend's in the seamless co-op you're talking about, if it doesn't get anyone banned thats a one up, all in all i think this might be the only game where you gotta pay a price if you want to have as much fun as you may have had modding skyrim or other sorts of moddable games since i'm tempted just as bad here too.

But there is no need to do so. You can just remove the EAC from the steam version, and play offline. This way you can mod as much as you want without risk of getting banned (as long as you stay in offline mode). There is no need to have a second version of the game at all.

[MundM]

Publicado originalmente por BenzoSt:

Banned for using ReShade? Has anyone actually been banned for using ReShade? I thought it was safe to use with this game.

ReShade was always fine, but who can tell with the EAC working in the background. You would think a paid for anti cheat software add on can differentiate between cheat software and a pure post effect software.

[King of Games]

Publicado originalmente por MundM:

Publicado originalmente por BenzoSt:

Banned for using ReShade? Has anyone actually been banned for using ReShade? I thought it was safe to use with this game.

You would think a paid for anti cheat software add on can differentiate between cheat software and a pure post effect software.

EAC has banned me from a game before for having Discord open. It is absolutely trash

[MULTIPASS]

Publicado originalmente por Paradox:

Sure, but that kind of defeats the purpose. You can't play the full game offline,

Yes, you can. If you don't summon phantoms, all you're getting from being online is messages and bloodstains - oh, and EAC sending your data to China. Not a huge loss, I always play offline.

Publicado originalmente por Paradox:

so you can't play the game modded (because it forces you offline). It's a disingenuous argument to say, "you can play the game modded offline" - hence, why it's usually a code for piracy.

This is just idiotic.

[Paradox]

Publicado originalmente por orksmith:

Publicado originalmente por Paradox:

Sure, but that kind of defeats the purpose. You can't play the full game offline,

Yes, you can. If you don't summon phantoms, all you're getting from being online is messages and bloodstains - oh, and EAC sending your data to China. Not a huge loss, I always play offline.
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No. You cannot play the full game offline. You will be missing all of the multiplayer stuff that includes pvp, bloodstains, phantoms, messages, and coop.

Ignoring the rest as it's not really an argument.

[The Sylvan Learning Center]

Publicado originalmente por bradams:

The online is so non-functional anyway I don't know why being banned matters.

Like "oh no, my mod broke TOS and now I can't connect to people for 30 seconds and get connection errors before doing anything anymore." Who even cares.

Nice hyperbole, gamer

[Digimortal]

Look what mods did to GTA5, you can´t play 5 min without one of this cheaters. Bann Everyone!!

[MULTIPASS]

Publicado originalmente por Paradox:

Publicado originalmente por orksmith:

Yes, you can. If you don't summon phantoms, all you're getting from being online is messages and bloodstains - oh, and EAC sending your data to China. Not a huge loss, I always play offline.
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No. You cannot play the full game offline. You will be missing all of the multiplayer stuff that includes pvp, bloodstains, phantoms, messages, and coop.

Ignoring the rest as it's not really an argument.

Multiplayer is completely optional, so you're left with bloodstains, phantoms, and messages which are just pointless fluff. Many, many people play without co-op or pvp at all, myself included.

There's also this:

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1861685581358647337/316C4077F747FBD7AFE2EFA810BBB4A29F215575/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

According to you, this is "launch in piracy mode"...

[King of Games]

Publicado originalmente por Digimortal:

Look what mods did to GTA5, you can´t play 5 min without one of this cheaters. Bann Everyone!!

Because cheaters are anyworse than kids with the stupid hover bike. Rockstar made GTA online horrible on their own, they didnt need any help

[Paradox]

Publicado originalmente por orksmith:

Publicado originalmente por Paradox:

No. You cannot play the full game offline. You will be missing all of the multiplayer stuff that includes pvp, bloodstains, phantoms, messages, and coop.

Ignoring the rest as it's not really an argument.

Multiplayer is completely optional, so you're left with bloodstains, phantoms, and messages which are just pointless fluff. Many, many people play without co-op or pvp at all, myself included.

There's also this:

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1861685581358647337/316C4077F747FBD7AFE2EFA810BBB4A29F215575/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

According to you, this is "launch in piracy mode"...

Definitely encourages it.

[FauxFurry]

Publicado originalmente por nfinite.recursion:

Publicado originalmente por Shadow Sovereign:

Elden Ring has insane modding potential, maybe even more than SKYRIM.

lol no, This will never, ever be the case. Skyrim uses Creation Engine which is built from the ground up to support mods. Making mods for it is infinitely easier, especially since the editor is included.

Not saying we won't get some quality mods for Elden Ring, mind you. Past games are proof enough for that. Expecting FromSoft to understand the appeal of modding is likely an impossible task. FromSoft is one of those Japanese devs that thinks PCs are for spreadsheets and porn games. They don't even bother to look at other games for examples of what a "proper" PC game looks like.

But yeah, it would definitely be great if FromSoft did make a game with mod support on PC. Modding communities, especially the ones that exist alongside popular games can keep the game alive and drive additional sales for years, well after the console versions are pretty much over and done with.

One of the things that makes Skyrim modding so easy is that it has Override folders, meaning that even people with little know-how of utilities such as Skyrim Script Extender or Creation Kit can still use the simpler asset replacement mods.
Macho Dragons for example is just a change in model and voice files for dragons so anyone can install the mod within seconds.

Elden Ring does not have the means to drop new assets into the game to override the default without unpacking and repacking the whole thing so it is highly unlikely that the modding will ever approach the Skyrim mod scene.