So When Is Bloodhound Step Getting Destroyed With Nerfs?

[SuperXtreme500]

It's about time don't you think?

[Sgt. Flaw]

Escrito originalmente por Rothus66:

Better question is when do we buff Bloodhond step?

It's Miyazaki's RL ash of war..I wouldn't be surprized

[Xengre]

Escrito originalmente por **DeiRowtag:

Escrito originalmente por SuperXtream500:

It trivializes both PvE and PvP, I'd go as far as to say it's the most powerful ash of war.

"Raptor of mist": am i a joke to you?

invincible frame and insta kill hit right after with nearly no fail
that guy use light weapons but using with dual heavy weapon = insta kill to any PVP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZxbTK7AE4Q

No, Bloodhound step is far stronger and more reliable for both PvP and PvE.

It is true that Raptor of the mist has convenient niche use on traps, traps that don't need it but it does make life slightly easier for some I guess.

The problem with Raptor of the mist and that video is it only works on specific enemies in PvE and bad players or those using slow weapons.

Raptor of the mist does not work against fast multi-hit attacks and aggressive enemy patterns. In fact, merely using it in such instances could result in instant death (ex use it against Malenia's multi hit combo blindly and you die). In PvP if a player pops it, on purpose, if they are not using a slow weapon they can then free punish you as you drop and you literally cannot avoid it. You eat free dmg in PvP.

The issue is the drop portion of the move has no iframes, can be punished, and there is no tactic in the game to protect you during the fall. Yes, it has advantages against more basic movesets/slower enemies and in PvP slower weapons (assuming no poise, as even slower weapons could smash your face in a trade if they hyper armor your attack) because it has offensive applications that are faster than Bloodhound's follow-up, but you gotta use it in the right situations otherwise it is a suicidal move. It is certainly no Sekiro flaming feather, or even basic feather.

Escrito originalmente por tranquillant:

I disagree... I dont even use it even though i have it due to that I have better skills that are better equiped for my character.... So I guess there are opinnions both ways... this leads me into a conclusion that not everyone thinks it is too strong???

I'm pretty confident there is nothing better in the game than BHS. I see you keep stating this but you haven't actually stated what is "better".

Escrito originalmente por Senki:

It's about time they separate pve and pvp and have different patches for them if anything. If everything that's strong would get nerfed in pve we'll get another ds3 where most things feel extremely boring to use because they're too weak.

Nah, you can have unique stuff and not have obscenely overpowered options. The ability is cool, but the ability to spam it with virtually no CD and no downside is a problem. It really needs some CD, at the least, so it can actually be utilized for specific purposes rather than mindlessly spammed (don't even need to time it, the thing has 3 recovery frames unlike any other dodge in the game that tend to have 500%+ more recovery frames).

Single player balance is a good thing. This game has lots of ways to build and play but when 90%+ of the playerbase is arguably adhering to one option something is up and it is harming the game. This isn't some end game hard earned unlocked super ability, that also has no PvP impact. This is something available basically at the start of the game and very flexible being applied to any weapon.

Escrito originalmente por Rothus66:

The people who make posts like this are funny, "I can't adapt to it, Remove it"

This post is funny because it is incoherent. You should look up the word adapt because that is now how it is used.

Whether they nerf it or not isn't a big concern to me, though I'm all for proper balance, but it is crazy how ignorant people are of the game with comments like yours or incorrect info about Raptor and "there is better stuff". Too funny.

[Dr.Abscondus]

Got it early, didn't like it, don't use it, don't care if it's in the game or not.

[SuperXtreme500]

Escrito originalmente por Umbral Priestess:

Escrito originalmente por SuperXtream500:

Where are you pulling this from? From is clearly adamant about balance, you just sound like someone too dependent on it and are hoping it doesn't get nerfed.

Regardless if i use it or not is not the question here. from is clearly fine with it and you'll just have to deal with it.

Maybe if you cry here enough it will magically change. You sound like someone when they can't beat a certain ability or build, whine about it instead of improving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I93JATGQ-Rs

Give me a reasonable strategy to counter this. Oh, and "wait until they're completely out of FP so you get a second window to get a single hit in" is not a reasonable strategy.

[SuperXtreme500]

Escrito originalmente por Rothus66:

Escrito originalmente por SuperXtream500:

Where are you pulling this from? From is clearly adamant about balance, you just sound like someone too dependant on it and are hoping it doesn't get nerfed.

Ah the "Well you probably use it" defense when you don't want to admit you just wanted it removed because your a ♥♥♥♥♥.

As opposed to the "I rely on this clearly unbalance ability so I mindlessly defend it" stance?

[Yuki Terumi]

It's a terribly balanced skill that's fun to use. I mean, who needs to learn how to dodge? Ain't nobody got time for that.

[SuperXtreme500]

Escrito originalmente por Yuki Terumi:

It's a terribly balanced skill that's fun to use. I mean, who needs to learn how to dodge? Ain't nobody got time for that.

I mean at least you're honest about it lol.

[Nocturnal]

Haven't used it once and when I see invaders use it, I just wait them out for an opening. They usually get thirsty at some point and get caught.

[SuperXtreme500]

Escrito originalmente por Umbral Priestess:

Escrito originalmente por Yuki Terumi:

It's a terribly balanced skill that's fun to use. I mean, who needs to learn how to dodge? Ain't nobody got time for that.

Except it is a dodge, it's just a much better version of it. what these kids don't have time for is people dodging their attacks and getting angry the person isn't an easy kill and then telling everyone else it's "broken/unbalanced" because it's just too much for them to deal with.

You've yet to answer me after you decided to delete all your other comments for some reason.

[Brother Skolas]

why is every baby pvper complaining about bloodhound step?

[Yuki Terumi]

Escrito originalmente por Umbral Priestess:

Escrito originalmente por Yuki Terumi:

It's a terribly balanced skill that's fun to use. I mean, who needs to learn how to dodge? Ain't nobody got time for that.

Except it is a dodge, it's just a much better version of it. what these kids don't have time for is people dodging their attacks and getting angry the person isn't an easy kill and then telling everyone else it's "broken/unbalanced" because it's just too much for them to deal with.

It's better to just ignore them now, they will get over it eventually, or quit.

Yeah it's a dodge that trivializes a lot of attacks. Learn to dodge waterfowl dance? Nah, just bloodhound step away from her. Just hold back and mash L2.

Same in pvp. We can talk about why its horribly unbalanced in pvp if you want.

[Mexican Joker]

Escrito originalmente por Skolas Wolf Kell:

why is every baby pvper complaining about bloodhound step?

Because it breaks PvP and removes the skill factor? You don't pvp much do you.

[SuperXtreme500]

Escrito originalmente por Umbral Priestess:

Escrito originalmente por SuperXtream500:

You've yet to answer me after you decided to delete all your other comments for some reason.

I tend to do that when engaging with trolls too much. you're clearly someone who is salty and no one is going to change your point of view due to your delusions. when i realize it's pointless making posts attempting something futile because you're simply bad at the game and just want what you can't beat to go away there is no point continuing.

In short: there is nothing to answer as you had no valid argument. This is just pure

There is nothing more to discuss on this matter. Get over it or quit. it's not changing.

I asked you for a genuine response and you have done nothing but project and do exactly what you "claim" I am doing. I'm more inclined to believe you simply had no basis on your "defense" of a broken ability and simply tried to hide your comments.

There is "nothing to answer" because you have NO answer, instead you label me as a troll then try to save face and then pat yourself on the back.

If anyone here is a troll, it's absolutely you.

[Xengre]

Escrito originalmente por Umbral Priestess:

Escrito originalmente por Yuki Terumi:

It's a terribly balanced skill that's fun to use. I mean, who needs to learn how to dodge? Ain't nobody got time for that.

Except it is a dodge, it's just a much better version of it. what these kids don't have time for is people dodging their attacks and getting angry the person isn't an easy kill and then telling everyone else it's "broken/unbalanced" because it's just too much for them to deal with.

It's better to just ignore them now, they will get over it eventually, or quit.

It isn't "just a much better version" of dodge. Every single other dodge in the game has timing involved with recovery frames and periods of invulnerability. Bloodhound does not have either of these and moves a huge amount of distance and can be spammed to the point it is literally impossible to harm the person using it both in PvP and in PvE.

In PvE it is nothing short than godmode which is kind of an obviously not good thing when so much of the community is relying on it for PvE. For PvP you can't outplay it. There is no "skill, strategy, adapt, outplay" available. You simply wait until they're dumb and don't press it when you attack or they run out of FP.

There is no "deal with" here. Your post doesn't really make sense and I'm not sure why you think it is a good thing to achieve godmode in both PvE and PvP. It harms the PvE aspect every bit as much as it does the PvP aspect. This isn't something that is simply "strong", but so overbearing that it invalidates 99% (probably not far off tbh) of the game.

Personally, I'm not against the skill existing but it obviously is too much in its current form. What exactly are you trying to advocate for by the way? I'm kind of curious if you know what your own agenda is.

Escrito originalmente por Umbral Priestess:

You can also just block with a good shield. I guess all high stability sheilds are also "horribly unabalanced"

Bad players love coming up with excuses of why what they have trouble dealing with needs to be nerfed/isunabalanced/broken.

There are ways to deal with shields. Bloodhound cannot be "dealt with". There is, quite literally, nothing you can do aside from wait until FP is out or for them to not use it. As for PvE, yes, shields are very powerful but FROM intentionally nerfed them when Barricade and Scholar's shield were proving to be too much to make them much shorter and more timed. Obviously, they're still stupid strong and they may even get nerfed further (though I doubt it). There are a bit more trade offs for shields in PvE, though.

Also, Bloodhound step complaints in PvE have nothing to do with being bad, actually its the total opposite with people who are bad relying on it excessively to the extent most of the community appears to heavily rely on it. Further, there is no bad or good issue with Bloodhound Step in PvP. It has no counter so skill is irrelevant. This isn't rot or shields or something that you can adapt to or counter. It has none. Terrible argument.

[frowningmirror]

Escrito originalmente por **DeiRowtag:

Escrito originalmente por SuperXtream500:

It trivializes both PvE and PvP, I'd go as far as to say it's the most powerful ash of war.

"Raptor of mist": am i a joke to you?

invincible frame and insta kill hit right after with nearly no fail
that guy use light weapons but using with dual heavy weapon = insta kill to any PVP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZxbTK7AE4Q

Raptor of the mists is a joke. Its like saying a weaker version of parry is overpowered. To oneshot people, you have to fulfill a lot of conditions first. Having big swords and jump attack bonuses mainly.

BHS is versatile, it can teleport you to close in on casters, or teleport you away to start using ranged attacks of your own. It can be worn as a light backup dagger or as a main weapon with range like a zweihander.