End game Vigor feels too squishy?

[Deykar]

I think the Vigor soft cap is at 60, which is quite alot. If you hit that mark, you still dont really feel tanky at all. It kinda feels like a minimum requirement so you wont get one shot by a lot of stuff. Do you think Vigor as a whole should get a buff? I know there are great runes and even mixed physique which allows you to raise your hp further, but i think if you go as high as 60 Vigor you shouldnt need that?

[♔V3RD1CT]

Originally posted by Deykar:

I think the Vigor soft cap is at 60, which is quite alot. If you hit that mark, you still dont really feel tanky at all. It kinda feels like a minimum requirement so you wont get one shot by a lot of stuff. Do you think Vigor as a whole should get a buff? I know there are great runes and even mixed physique which allows you to raise your hp further, but i think if you go as high as 60 Vigor you shouldnt need that?

Yeah at end game 50+ vigor feels very necessary. This is not equally the same for ppl who get really use to the mechanics, and ability to easily dodge most things. You can go lower into the 40+ range, and still be plenty safe. Thing is most ppl are doing this anyway, and can NOT abuse the mechanics, learned how to avoid.

Makes for a mess.

[sirco]

Originally posted by Deykar:

I think the Vigor soft cap is at 60, which is quite alot. If you hit that mark, you still dont really feel tanky at all. It kinda feels like a minimum requirement so you wont get one shot by a lot of stuff. Do you think Vigor as a whole should get a buff? I know there are great runes and even mixed physique which allows you to raise your hp further, but i think if you go as high as 60 Vigor you shouldnt need that?

I dont know my tank build got 45 vigor and endurence with defensive talisment and im tanking big attack like its nothing. Check your talisment and helm because many give debuff on the doamge you receive and make sure you used the blessing fia gave you when you hug her because she remove 5% of your max hp

[MisterRed]

I like measuring tankiness by way of how many Hoarah Loux stomps i can take. My 40 vigor Radagon's Soreseal cleric can take 5. My 50 vigor Radagon Scarseal dex build can take 8. My 60 Vigor no scar or soreseal strength warrior, with crimson talisman, can take like 12. It definitely does make a difference. My strength build can face tank a lot of things that my other builds get one shot by

[Koros Antavo]

Had level 150 and 60 vigor by endgame, stopped leveling at that point. Honestly felt overleveled. Morgott was a joke, Hoarah Loux was a funny joke, Radagon / Elden Beast finally were worthy opponents, but not quite enough for a "strong" final boss.

But perhaps, my difficulty perception is skewed. Early game in Caelid was much more difficult. That's why I wanted more. Everything two-shot me at that point though.

[Douchebag Extraordinaire]

The damage scaling is just kinda garbage in this game, seriously, go back to one of the first areas like Stormveil and get hit a few times, then port out to an endgame location like Elphael and it's easy to see how much damage has scaled even between two comparable enemy types.

It's the reason why I think they should have toned down gains of vigor just a bit but made damage scaling much more consistent.

[jasonbarron]

Originally posted by Qubert:

Originally posted by Skolas Wolf Kell:

ng+ you want that 60

If you mean journey 3, maybe. But I beat my first play through with less then 40 vigor, and am almost done with second at 40 vigor.

Yeah, this is the way. 40 max. People need to work on getting hit less.

[Koros Antavo]

Originally posted by Douchebag Extraordinaire:

The damage scaling is just kinda garbage in this game, seriously, go back to one of the first areas like Stormveil and get hit a few times, then port out to an endgame location like Elphael and it's easy to see how much damage has scaled even between two comparable enemy types.

It's the reason why I think they should have toned down gains of vigor just a bit but made damage scaling much more consistent.

Now this... no...

It's not vigor's fault. Defence is the culprit here. The very fact that it exists, and that it primarily scales with your level, is why the damage scaling is so wild.

Just think about it. If an enemy deals 200 damage to you, in early game it's a third of your hp. By endgame, 183 defence points almost completely nullify it. Remove defence, leave only resistance, and balance the game around it. Only then the damage will feel balanced.

[Meow]

I feel the same way, I choose fashion over armour and my fashion is usually clothes. I get one shot by everything. <.< Maybe I should try to lvl some strength, and maybe some defensive talismans and crab meat?

[mpcgannon]

Originally posted by Citizen of Zozo:

Originally posted by mpcgannon:

I just started a faith build last night. I've NEVER used faith before. But the pacifist run, and some of the attacks look amazing! Any tips? I haven't decided on weapon type yet and I want my fashion to be holier than thou.

Boss weapons (or rather 'special' weapons that upgrade with somber stones) are very strong early on compared to their more mundane counterparts. Particularly the Golden Halberd and the Winged Scythe for Faith builds. As your stats grow and more upgrade mats become available, other weapons start to catch up in damage.
You can pretty much use whatever you want and just infuse it with Flame or Holy. Like rapiers? Use a rapier. They're really good when dual wielded in fact. Like greataxes? Use a greataxe. Meet the bare minimum requirements to use the weapon you want and infuse it so it scales with your stats.

Solid tips. I'm coming off a duel wielding str build so I want to do something else. Never used rapiers before... Might be a sign. Thanks!

[Meow]

Originally posted by mpcgannon:

Originally posted by Citizen of Zozo:

Boss weapons (or rather 'special' weapons that upgrade with somber stones) are very strong early on compared to their more mundane counterparts. Particularly the Golden Halberd and the Winged Scythe for Faith builds. As your stats grow and more upgrade mats become available, other weapons start to catch up in damage.
You can pretty much use whatever you want and just infuse it with Flame or Holy. Like rapiers? Use a rapier. They're really good when dual wielded in fact. Like greataxes? Use a greataxe. Meet the bare minimum requirements to use the weapon you want and infuse it so it scales with your stats.

Solid tips. I'm coming off a duel wielding str build so I want to do something else. Never used rapiers before... Might be a sign. Thanks!

Try powerstanced Eleonora's poleblades.

[mpcgannon]

Originally posted by MisterRed:

I like measuring tankiness by way of how many Hoarah Loux stomps i can take. My 40 vigor Radagon's Soreseal cleric can take 5. My 50 vigor Radagon Scarseal dex build can take 8. My 60 Vigor no scar or soreseal strength warrior, with crimson talisman, can take like 12. It definitely does make a difference. My strength build can face tank a lot of things that my other builds get one shot by

I really like this way of analysis. Counting hits is so clear for me. Good on ya.

[mpcgannon]

Originally posted by 2B:

Originally posted by mpcgannon:

Solid tips. I'm coming off a duel wielding str build so I want to do something else. Never used rapiers before... Might be a sign. Thanks!

Try powerstanced Eleonora's poleblades. :shigure2:

I haven't done that either! That's what I love about these games. You make a different enough build, it's like yo get to learn the game all over.

[Meow]

Originally posted by mpcgannon:

Originally posted by 2B:

Try powerstanced Eleonora's poleblades.

I haven't done that either! That's what I love about these games. You make a different enough build, it's like yo get to learn the game all over.

I use dex, faith and arcane. I can use so many weapons and spells, it's awesome.

[mpcgannon]

Sorry Deykar! I'm going to stop hijacking your thread!!

[Smaugi]

60 vig
Morgott's Great rune
Bull goat armor
Boiled crab
dragoncrest greatshield talisman
And my character can face tank ng+ malenia's waterfowl dance.