Why do people think Miyazaki is a good designer?

[Blue]

I honestly don't get it. The Dark Souls formula is basically being repeated to death for over a decade now. There is basically no innovation in the entire franchise including Bloodborne and Sekiro. But Elden Ring must be the worst title so far in terms of innovation.

Everything I see in Elden Ring is a copy paste from a previous title including the entire gameplay formula, talismans, weapons, armor sets, enemy designs and behavior, boss designs that reuse whole animation sets etc. etc.

They aren't even fixing their mistakes in this formula, namely the horrendous npc quest mechanics that not a single person can follow or rings/talismans that are basically of no use to anyone - they still get copied over as if the entire game was made by a brainless AI. Instead of the genius designer that Miyazaki is supposed to be.

For a guy that is praised so much there is little to no innovation in all of his titles even down to the tiniest details. "ooh look in Bloodborne you can shoot a pistol" and fans go nuts over the stunning innovation. It's a copy&paste from the parry mechanic! There is nothing new or innovative about it! Why are you so easy to trick?

And if you think there can't be innovation in an established franchise, just look at Mario and Zelda. They are STILL innovating in every new title after 25+ years. Miyazaki can't even innovate between two titles.

Miyazaki is a mediocre designer at best that just had a lucky strike of gold once and now he's milking it, tricking fans into believing he's some kind of genius.

He should respectfully resign and hand the reigns over to the clearly superior designer Yui Tanimura, who at least tries to innovate between titles.

[Xelane]

Nguyên văn bởi Blue:

Nguyên văn bởi Cynical:

The situation is actually worse than the OP gives it credit for, since he did it better with Demon's Souls than he did with any of its successors. Not only has Miyazaki been riding one game for 13 years, he's doing it worse than he did 13 years ago.

Totally agreed that Tanimura should have a bigger role. People just say "DS2 LOL" (ignoring that DS2 vanilla was the best game From has released since Demon's Souls and that the Miyazaki-directed "Scholar of the First Sin" edit is significantly worse than the original), but his work on Shadow Tower: Abyss was also brilliant (that remains From's best game, nearly 20 years after its initial release).

This person gets it. 100% agree.

Nguyên văn bởi Xelane:

Are you implying that getting on the same page as one-another is a grade-school concept?

I'm implying that you must be a 4th grader. Do we have to establish now together what a 4th grader is?

You clearly don't take disagreement well. It sounds like you've got a lot of growing up to do.

[Duke]

The Formula needs no Innovation because it works how it is and i like it that way and many other people too.

So the Problem is you if you dont like it dont play it there are lot of other very Innovative Games for you to enjoy.

[thegreatzambinimorsu]

You aren't supposed to get it. Why did call of duty and all the other derivative franchises succeed when they didn't innovate? Customers having no standards. The new generation of gamers has such low expectations that they laud a game for not exploiting them, i.e. having DLC and microtransactions.

If they want cake, let them eat it forever, because that is all they will keep getting.

People want dumbed down experiences that they already know, so they don't have to learn anything new.

Whatever my generation was/is, the next ones sure aren't getting better.

[Noeat]

Nguyên văn bởi Blue:

Nguyên văn bởi Cynical:

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This person gets it. 100% agree.

that person what you refer to.. is buying games what are worse and worse by his opinion

he know more than 10 years that it is not what he like...
and you wanna pretend he get it..


what if we agree with you, that this games just arent something what you enjoy and are for different audience?
and on other hand you will agree with fact that whole world dont revolve around you and ppl can have different tastes and there are games even for them? :)

deal?

[NisseDood]

Faster than ds1&2 but slower than ds3 and er would be a sweetspot.
Nioh 1 felt like it had that sweetspot

[Noeat]

Nguyên văn bởi NisseDood:

Faster than ds1&2 but slower than ds3 and er would be a sweetspot.
Nioh 1 felt like it had that sweetspot

Nioh1 is much harder and faster than DS3
maybe not first boss, but Vamp lady is pretty fast ;)
and later bosses are sometime in speed of Ninja Gaiden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8A3jRZOAUE
look at his "green phase"

[NisseDood]

Nguyên văn bởi Noeat:

Nguyên văn bởi NisseDood:

Faster than ds1&2 but slower than ds3 and er would be a sweetspot.
Nioh 1 felt like it had that sweetspot

Nioh1 is much harder and faster than DS3
maybe not first boss, but Vamp lady is pretty fast ;)
and later bosses are sometime in speed of Ninja Gaiden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8A3jRZOAUE

Nioh 1 bosses had fast attacks but also gave a generous enough openings to actually do dmg.

[El Fuerte]

Myiazaki is a modern gameplay genius. Haters gonna hate.

Go back to Copy Vein :)

[NisseDood]

Nguyên văn bởi Noeat:

Nguyên văn bởi NisseDood:

Faster than ds1&2 but slower than ds3 and er would be a sweetspot.
Nioh 1 felt like it had that sweetspot

Nioh1 is much harder and faster than DS3
maybe not first boss, but Vamp lady is pretty fast ;)
and later bosses are sometime in speed of Ninja Gaiden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8A3jRZOAUE

Nioh 1 bosses had fast attacks but also gave a generous enough openings to actually do dmg.

[Blue]

Can we all agree that making a game faster or slower does not make the game designer into a genius that should be praised?

Let's just look at the last 5 games by Fromsoft with Genius Mastermind Miyazaki showing us his tricks of the trade:
Elden Ring, Sekiro, Dark Souls 3, Dark Souls 2 SotFS (much inferior to the original), Bloodborne

Now for the sake of argument let's look at Bethesda with... (mentally challenged?) designer God Howard at the helm:
Fallout76, Fallout 4, (Fallout Shelter), Skyrim, Fallout 3, Oblivion

Even a blind man can see how much more innovation Bethesda's Todd Howard (someone has to give him a cookie) has produced in comparison to the world's greatest genius of all time Hidetaka Miyazaki who can never do anything wrong in their last 5 games.

There are many other game companies where I could do the same - I hope you see what I mean.

[Noeat]

Nguyên văn bởi NisseDood:

Nguyên văn bởi Noeat:

Nioh1 is much harder and faster than DS3
maybe not first boss, but Vamp lady is pretty fast ;)
and later bosses are sometime in speed of Ninja Gaiden
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8A3jRZOAUE

Nioh 1 bosses had fast attacks but also gave a generous enough openings to actually do dmg.

less than ER, as you can see in that clip ;)
but it doesnt mean ER is bad game, or Nioh is bad game..
and we will not even talk about duo bosses ;)

[Noeat]

Nguyên văn bởi Blue:

Can we all agree that making a game faster or slower does not make the game designer into a genius that should be praised?

Let's just look at the last 5 games by Fromsoft with Genius Mastermind Miyazaki showing us his tricks of the trade:
Elden Ring, Sekiro, Dark Souls 3, Dark Souls 2 SotFS (much inferior to the original), Bloodborne

Now for the sake of argument let's look at Bethesda with... (mentally challenged?) designer God Howard at the helm:
Fallout76, Fallout 4, (Fallout Shelter (only producer?)), Skyrim, Fallout 3, Oblivion

Even a blind man can see how much more innovation Bethesda's Todd Howard (someone has to give him a cookie) has produced in comparison to the world's greatest genius of all time Hidetaka Miyazaki who can never do anything wrong in their last 5 games.

There are many other game companies where I could do the same - I hope you see what I mean.

innovative? thats how you call destroying OP originally from Interplay..
no, thank you

now im sure that you are only trolling, because this is worst example what you can make

[Aria Athena]

Nguyên văn bởi Moluscow:

Myiazaki is a modern gameplay genius. Haters gonna hate.

Go back to Copy Vein :)

The combat in code vein is pretty good though and the way you build your character makes it stand out.

Nguyên văn bởi Blue:

Now for the sake of argument let's look at Bethesda with... (mentally challenged?) designer God Howard at the helm:
Fallout76, Fallout 4, (Fallout Shelter (only producer?)), Skyrim, Fallout 3, Oblivion

Even a blind man can see how much more innovation Bethesda's Todd Howard (someone has to give him a cookie) has produced in comparison to the world's greatest genius of all time Hidetaka Miyazaki who can never do anything wrong in their last 5 games.

You had me up to this point, but that was too much on the nose

[NisseDood]

Nguyên văn bởi Noeat:

Nguyên văn bởi Blue:

Can we all agree that making a game faster or slower does not make the game designer into a genius that should be praised?

Let's just look at the last 5 games by Fromsoft with Genius Mastermind Miyazaki showing us his tricks of the trade:
Elden Ring, Sekiro, Dark Souls 3, Dark Souls 2 SotFS (much inferior to the original), Bloodborne

Now for the sake of argument let's look at Bethesda with... (mentally challenged?) designer God Howard at the helm:
Fallout76, Fallout 4, (Fallout Shelter (only producer?)), Skyrim, Fallout 3, Oblivion

Even a blind man can see how much more innovation Bethesda's Todd Howard (someone has to give him a cookie) has produced in comparison to the world's greatest genius of all time Hidetaka Miyazaki who can never do anything wrong in their last 5 games.

There are many other game companies where I could do the same - I hope you see what I mean.

innovative? thats how you call destroying OP originally from Interplay..
no, thank you

now im sure that you are only trolling, because this is worst example what you can make

Interplay killed the series themselves before Bethesda could when they released Fallout brotherhood of steel
That game is so bad it makes fo76 look like a masterpiece.

[Blue]

Nguyên văn bởi Noeat:

innovative? thats how you call destroying OP originally from Interplay..
no, thank you

now im sure that you are only trolling, because this is worst example what you can make

I'm not saying which game is better or if Bethesda have ruined a once lively and flourishing IP by taking a dump all over it and dumbing it down significantly. I'm saying that Bethesda have put much more effort into trying to accomplish something new and outstanding for their players in every each title than Miyazaki who is pretty much ripping himself off for a decade now.

With Bloodborne it was cute to see Dark Souls with a hat and a coat. With Sekiro I was thinking "well this is pretty much just a watered down Dark Souls with stripped features and swimming" but with Elden Ring I cannot even find anything new and innovative if I try to compare it to DS3.

If your niece entered your room and you played Elden Ring and she said "why are you playing DS3 with a horse?" - how would you argue that it's a brand new and exciting game by the unbelievable genius of our time Miyazaki himself to her?