Why do people think Miyazaki is a good designer?

[Blue]

I honestly don't get it. The Dark Souls formula is basically being repeated to death for over a decade now. There is basically no innovation in the entire franchise including Bloodborne and Sekiro. But Elden Ring must be the worst title so far in terms of innovation.

Everything I see in Elden Ring is a copy paste from a previous title including the entire gameplay formula, talismans, weapons, armor sets, enemy designs and behavior, boss designs that reuse whole animation sets etc. etc.

They aren't even fixing their mistakes in this formula, namely the horrendous npc quest mechanics that not a single person can follow or rings/talismans that are basically of no use to anyone - they still get copied over as if the entire game was made by a brainless AI. Instead of the genius designer that Miyazaki is supposed to be.

For a guy that is praised so much there is little to no innovation in all of his titles even down to the tiniest details. "ooh look in Bloodborne you can shoot a pistol" and fans go nuts over the stunning innovation. It's a copy&paste from the parry mechanic! There is nothing new or innovative about it! Why are you so easy to trick?

And if you think there can't be innovation in an established franchise, just look at Mario and Zelda. They are STILL innovating in every new title after 25+ years. Miyazaki can't even innovate between two titles.

Miyazaki is a mediocre designer at best that just had a lucky strike of gold once and now he's milking it, tricking fans into believing he's some kind of genius.

He should respectfully resign and hand the reigns over to the clearly superior designer Yui Tanimura, who at least tries to innovate between titles.

[nakoda]

What makes Miyzaki a good designer, regardless of your agreement to his design choices is that he sticks to his design choices and maintains his vision.

you can argue up and down about whether you agree with that vision or not, but it is his own adherence to his own vision that makes his a respectable designer worth paying attention to.

[Shiggieb00]

引用自 King Geedorah：

引用自 Shiggieb00：

The co op mod is a direct result of the toxic PVP community here, who thinks this whole game is based on PVPtards and come to these forums to cry because THEY DIE from OTHER PLAYERS and they dont like this..

ZERO changes have been made due to grievances of people who just like to play PVE like normal. Because the game WAS great, until the PVP community got involved. Now it has lost players, builds have become garbage, everything is turning in to the same standard "This is how you must play, or dont bother playing" type trash that the PVP ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like to make everything.

wow. WOW. what a take. what an absolute....TOOL

See, we have one right here.. He knows he will have 0 people to play with in his little ♥♥♥♥ PVPtard classroom..

This is why he gets so upset lol

[Shiggieb00]

引用自 nakoda：

What makes Miyzaki a good designer, regardless of your agreement to his design choices is that he sticks to his design choices and maintains his vision.

you can argue up and down about whether you agree with that vision or not, but it is his own adherence to his own vision that makes his a respectable designer worth paying attention to.

I dont think so.. I think he does until people cry enough.. Then the rebalancing begins.. and that pendulum never recalibrates back to center.

[Echorion]

Because he is. The sales, fandom, numerous glowing reviews, and fact his work has inspired thousands to enter the video game industry is proof of that.
There are amazing concept artists that became amazing because their goals were to work on games like ones produced by Miyazaki.

I think that level of influence, that sets a precedent of comparison that holds up more than a decade later; is really enough to answer your own question here.

Doesn't mean every game is perfect, it does not mean there are not issues even with Elden ring- but clearly they have done something right or they wouldn't stand on top a mountain of successes that keep repeating. Can't call it luck if they keep on doing it.

[Lorenzo Von Matterhorn]

引用自 Echorion：

Because he is. The sales, fandom, numerous glowing reviews, and fact his work has inspired thousands to enter the video game industry is proof of that.
There are amazing concept artists that became amazing because their goals were to work on games like ones produced by Miyazaki.

I think that level of influence, that sets a precedent of comparison that holds up more than a decade later; is really enough to answer your own question here.

And he is a really humble person. And everyone in fromsoft seems to have huge respect for that guy.

[13R0KEN]

引用自 Shiggieb00：

引用自 Raigavin：

A lot of people on this forum think they are better game designers than Miyazaki and that's a fact. How do I know this, just look at all the suggestions people give (especially that coop mod thread).

The co op mod is a direct result of the toxic PVP community here, who thinks this whole game is based on PVPtards and come to these forums to cry because THEY DIE from OTHER PLAYERS and they dont like this..

ZERO changes have been made due to grievances of people who just like to play PVE like normal. Because the game WAS great, until the PVP community got involved. Now it has lost players, builds have become garbage, everything is turning in to the same standard "This is how you must play, or dont bother playing" type trash that the PVP ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like to make everything.

People getting upset when an invader kills them in-game and starts pointing down/tea bagging is a personal issue, it's no different than someone bagging them in halo or smth

引用自 Shiggieb00：

引用自 King Geedorah：

wow. WOW. what a take. what an absolute....TOOL

See, we have one right here.. He knows he will have 0 people to play with in his little ♥♥♥♥ PVPtard classroom..

This is why he gets so upset lol

Did...you seriously not get the reference? smh what a TOOL

[Moon Rabbit]

引用自 Lemon：

More like you are so entitled to your delusions that anyone and everyone who thinks otherwise are stupid.

This is the very core of every Fromsoft fanboy's response to any criticism that has ever been leveled at soulsborne games. I've rarely seen a community full of hubris as much as Fromsoftware's.

[Noeat]

引用自 Moon Rabbit：

引用自 Lemon：

More like you are so entitled to your delusions that anyone and everyone who thinks otherwise are stupid.

This is the very core of every Fromsoft fanboy's response to any criticism that has ever been leveled at soulsborne games. I've rarely seen a community full of hubris as much as Fromsoftware's.

can you explain me, why "critics" of this game, or Miyazaki.. base their criticism on insulting other ppl, calling them names, insulting whole community and being generally toxic?

[Moon Rabbit]

引用自 Noeat：

引用自 Moon Rabbit：

This is the very core of every Fromsoft fanboy's response to any criticism that has ever been leveled at soulsborne games. I've rarely seen a community full of hubris as much as Fromsoftware's.

can you explain me, why "critics" of this game, or Miyazaki.. base their criticism on insulting other ppl, calling them names, insulting whole community and being generally toxic?

Can you explain to me how you somehow managed to miss the years of arrogance, and insults slung by the community at anyone who so much as mentions a difficulty adjustment? Maybe if the community hadn't devolved into a pretentious, elitist clique, people wouldn't find the fanbase so repulsive. This is what happens when people put too much of their ego into the games they play and gatekeep the Hell out of it.

You want to see insults? Find any thread asking for a difficulty slider and watch the rage and indignation as the community imagines a world where they can no longer lord their empty achievement over someone else's head and the idea that lesser gamers get to enjoy the game they do.

Don't talk to me about insults, when your fellows have been toxic for years. More people are simply wising up to the reality that these games are obtuse and awkward on purpose and your ability to stomach it isn't a grand accomplishment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPdMzjz5rtI

http://freshlypoppedculture.com/games/dark-souls-gatekeepers/

[Noeat]

引用自 Moon Rabbit：

引用自 Noeat：

can you explain me, why "critics" of this game, or Miyazaki.. base their criticism on insulting other ppl, calling them names, insulting whole community and being generally toxic?

Can you explain to me how you somehow managed to miss the years of arrogance, and insults slung by the community at anyone who so much as mentions a difficulty adjustment? Maybe if the community hadn't devolved into a pretentious, elitist clique, people wouldn't find the fanbase so repulsive. This is what happens when people put too much of their ego into the games they play and gatekeep the Hell out of it.

You want to see insults? Find any thread asking for a difficulty slider and watch the rage and indignation as the community imagines a world where they can no longer lord their empty achievement over someone else's head and the idea that lesser gamers get to enjoy the game they do.

Don't talk to me about insults, when your fellows have been toxic for years. More people are simply wising up to the reality that these games are obtuse and awkward on purpose and your ability to stomach it isn't a grand accomplishment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPdMzjz5rtI

http://freshlypoppedculture.com/games/dark-souls-gatekeepers/

then you are actually the same like those outsiders?
i dont think it is right..

[Pacino]

引用自 Moon Rabbit：

引用自 Noeat：

can you explain me, why "critics" of this game, or Miyazaki.. base their criticism on insulting other ppl, calling them names, insulting whole community and being generally toxic?

Can you explain to me how you somehow managed to miss the years of arrogance, and insults slung by the community at anyone who so much as mentions a difficulty adjustment? Maybe if the community hadn't devolved into a pretentious, elitist clique, people wouldn't find the fanbase so repulsive. This is what happens when people put too much of their ego into the games they play and gatekeep the Hell out of it.

You want to see insults? Find any thread asking for a difficulty slider and watch the rage and indignation as the community imagines a world where they can no longer lord their empty achievement over someone else's head and the idea that lesser gamers get to enjoy the game they do.

Don't talk to me about insults, when your fellows have been toxic for years. More people are simply wising up to the reality that these games are obtuse and awkward on purpose and your ability to stomach it isn't a grand accomplishment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPdMzjz5rtI

http://freshlypoppedculture.com/games/dark-souls-gatekeepers/

I think both sides of the coin are being quite toxic to be honest. I respect Miyazaki and enjoy his games because they cater to a niche that captivates me. I can pick faults quite easily if I want to but the good outweighs the bad. Likewise if you tell me that my reasons for liking him are the same reasons you dislike him then I can't argue with that. We all have our preferences and whilst we can debate aspects of these games from an objective perspective, ultimately it's feelings that win over. There's people out there that swear by Dark Souls 2. Objectively I can honestly say it's a terrible Souls game and list a college essay full of reasons. But that would not... And should not... Be a reason to convince someone that loves the game that they should hate it instead. Overall Elden Ring gave me exactly what I wanted. It did some things better than I expected. And it messed up some of the fundamental principles. But as far as Miyazaki goes, he has a vision and tends to stick to it... For better or worse. I'll take a visionary that bucks modern trends to cater to a niche than yet another tired mega corp chasing algorithms and surveys in the name of live service nonsense. I think this argument had gone too far, you like what you like... Or don't... and you don't need spend all day defending it.

[Noeat]

引用自 Pacino：

引用自 Moon Rabbit：

Can you explain to me how you somehow managed to miss the years of arrogance, and insults slung by the community at anyone who so much as mentions a difficulty adjustment? Maybe if the community hadn't devolved into a pretentious, elitist clique, people wouldn't find the fanbase so repulsive. This is what happens when people put too much of their ego into the games they play and gatekeep the Hell out of it.

You want to see insults? Find any thread asking for a difficulty slider and watch the rage and indignation as the community imagines a world where they can no longer lord their empty achievement over someone else's head and the idea that lesser gamers get to enjoy the game they do.

Don't talk to me about insults, when your fellows have been toxic for years. More people are simply wising up to the reality that these games are obtuse and awkward on purpose and your ability to stomach it isn't a grand accomplishment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPdMzjz5rtI

http://freshlypoppedculture.com/games/dark-souls-gatekeepers/

I think both sides of the coin are being quite toxic to be honest. I respect Miyazaki and enjoy his games because they cater to a niche that captivates me. I can pick faults quite easily if I want to but the good outweighs the bad. Likewise if you tell me that my reasons for liking him are the same reasons you dislike him then I can't argue with that. We all have our preferences and whilst we can debate aspects of these games from an objective perspective, ultimately it's feelings that win over. There's people out there that swear by Dark Souls 2. Objectively I can honestly say it's a terrible Souls game and list a college essay full of reasons. But that would not... And should not... Be a reason to convince someone that loves the game that they should hate it instead. Overall Elden Ring gave me exactly what I wanted. It did some things better than I expected. And it messed up some of the fundamental principles. But as far as Miyazaki goes, he has a vision and tends to stick to it... For better or worse. I'll take a visionary that bucks modern trends to cater to a niche than yet another tired mega corp chasing algorithms and surveys in the name of live service nonsense. I think this argument had gone too far, you like what you like... Or don't... and you don't need spend all day defending it.

good example is Ferrari.. those cars have so many issues.. but ppl still love them, because they are awesome :)

Miyazaki games have lot of issues, but ppl love them, because they are awesome

[Kain]

That's true. Games are pieces of art, if you are able to identify strongly with one or more aspects of it you possibly can endure many of it's flaws.

Heck, I remember I loved the game of thrones rpg despite it being terrible simply because I loved the story.

[Blue]

引用自 Moon Rabbit：

Can you explain to me how you somehow managed to miss the years of arrogance, and insults slung by the community at anyone who so much as mentions a difficulty adjustment? Maybe if the community hadn't devolved into a pretentious, elitist clique, people wouldn't find the fanbase so repulsive. This is what happens when people put too much of their ego into the games they play and gatekeep the Hell out of it.

Can you imagine the public outcry if Elden Ring actually came with difficulty settings? Twitter would never be the same (well also thanks to Elon).

引用自 Pacino：

I'll take a visionary that bucks modern trends to cater to a niche than yet another tired mega corp chasing algorithms and surveys in the name of live service nonsense.

You probably didn't read the thread at all. This is the whole point of the argument. For a guy that people claim to be a "visionary", there is barely any vision to be found in his latest work. And that's the issue. The man found by accident a good game design that worked and since then they didn't dare to touch it for various reasons.

Maybe the problem with Fromsoft and Miyazaki is a fanbase that is too up its own arse to let any kind of innovation happen. Maybe Miyazaki is trying to have a good time but fans have put a belt around his neck, tightly squeezing it ever so softly that it's getting harder and harder for him to breathe...

[Xelane]

引用自 Blue：

Snip

As I mentioned before, your definition of the word "innovation" doesn't match reality. Elden Ring added a number of new features to the game when compared to past FS titles, and apparently that isn't innovative enough for you.

What exactly is it that you think they have to add before you acknowledge this?