I've finally realized why I don't like Malenia as a character

[Expired_Meme_Cheese]

There's nothing to respect about her. I know that sounds weird, considering that most of the major players in Fromsoft's Souls games aren't really supposed to be likable, but there was usually something that at least earned my respect. Astraea gave up everything to become a demon and help the people of the Valley of Defilement, King Allant set the demons upon the world in a roundabout way to rid the world of misery, Gwyn and his crew slew the ancient dragons, Prince Lothric went against his family's wishes and longed for what came after the fading of the First Flame. I could go on, but hopefully you get the idea.

Even character's that we're clearly meant to hate, like Owl or Godrick, earn some respect for at least getting where they are.

Malenia is written like Coldsteel the Hedgehog. As far a I'm aware, her lore is basically that she was born with scarlet rot, and she has never been bested in battle. There's nothing about earning her place, or making some sort of great sacrifice or decision, or even just accomplishing something of note. She's just good because she's good.

And I think that's part of why people like Radahn. While it's not much, we know about how he learned and became skilled with gravity magic. He earned his ability to use gravity magic, granting him a small amount of respect.

Malenia has earned nothing.

I could be wrong about that, the lore days are early for this game, so maybe something could come up that'll change my tune. But I'm doubtful.

Edit: After reading through the replies, I will fully admit that my reasoning is shallow, poorly supported, and not very well thought out, and there are replies that have done much better explaining than I have done.

I will not be changing my post, however, as I do not mind the discussion that comes from my poor opinion.

[Lyskir]

Originally posted by Coraline was a good movie:

Why you gonna respect Godrick who literally dismembers people to try to become more powerful and spends most of his lore getting his asskicked but "hate" Malenia who was born crippled with cosmic cancer and still became one of the strongest demigods after learning in the arts of swordmanship from a blind guy? She doesn't even use magic, only her sword, and that was enough to fight Radahn and pummel Godrick.

because she wamen, OP not like wamen who appear to be strong, wamen only have to make peepee hard, but malenia no have big tits so malenia baaaad

this entire thread is a neckbeard moment, there are tons of characters to dislike, like godrick that pathetic peace of garbage, all the demigods were born with power and nobody really earned it, rhadan was the only one mentioned in the lore to have had some training, just because the lore doesnt mention her training doesnt mean she is suddenly not worthy of "respect"
and btw, its a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game, OP needs to touch some grass

[jasonbarron]

Are you sure that the REAL reason for your dislike of her isn't because she's a woman and she beat your ass like a base drum until from one end of her arena to the other until you finally called Let Me Solo Her to beat her for you?

[Kain]

Originally posted by Lyskir:

Originally posted by Coraline was a good movie:

Why you gonna respect Godrick who literally dismembers people to try to become more powerful and spends most of his lore getting his asskicked but "hate" Malenia who was born crippled with cosmic cancer and still became one of the strongest demigods after learning in the arts of swordmanship from a blind guy? She doesn't even use magic, only her sword, and that was enough to fight Radahn and pummel Godrick.

just because the lore doesnt mention her training doesnt mean she is suddenly not worthy of "respect"

It does, some dude wearing blue trains her. You find a talisman with this lore piece.

[Deadeye64]

Originally posted by Coraline was a good movie:

Why you gonna respect Godrick who literally dismembers people to try to become more powerful and spends most of his lore getting his asskicked but "hate" Malenia who was born crippled with cosmic cancer and still became one of the strongest demigods after learning in the arts of swordmanship from a blind guy? She doesn't even use magic, only her sword, and that was enough to fight Radahn and pummel Godrick.

Not to mention she's missing limbs, and is blind, and still managed to do all she did.

[Official Joaquin Phoenix!]

Originally posted by Lyskir:

Originally posted by Coraline was a good movie:

Why you gonna respect Godrick who literally dismembers people to try to become more powerful and spends most of his lore getting his asskicked but "hate" Malenia who was born crippled with cosmic cancer and still became one of the strongest demigods after learning in the arts of swordmanship from a blind guy? She doesn't even use magic, only her sword, and that was enough to fight Radahn and pummel Godrick.

because she wamen, OP not like wamen who appear to be strong, wamen only have to make peepee hard, but malenia no have big tits so malenia baaaad

this entire thread is a neckbeard moment, there are tons of characters to dislike, like godrick that pathetic peace of garbage, all the demigods were born with power and nobody really earned it, rhadan was the only one mentioned in the lore to have had some training, just because the lore doesnt mention her training doesnt mean she is suddenly not worthy of "respect"
and btw, its a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game, OP needs to touch some grass

Tbh you're definitely right on that. There's always a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of scrutiny around female characters, their actions, their powers etc that male characters rarely receives back.

Malenia is worthy of respect for being so strong without using the main source of her power and sticking to incredibly good swordsmanship. I guess OP just got his ass beat and felt the need to vent.

[Kain]

Originally posted by Coraline was a good movie:

Originally posted by Lyskir:

because she wamen, OP not like wamen who appear to be strong, wamen only have to make peepee hard, but malenia no have big tits so malenia baaaad

this entire thread is a neckbeard moment, there are tons of characters to dislike, like godrick that pathetic peace of garbage, all the demigods were born with power and nobody really earned it, rhadan was the only one mentioned in the lore to have had some training, just because the lore doesnt mention her training doesnt mean she is suddenly not worthy of "respect"
and btw, its a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game, OP needs to touch some grass

Tbh you're definitely right on that. There's always a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of scrutiny around female characters, their actions, their powers etc that male characters rarely receives back.

I think you're all projecting your political beliefs, men and women are open to scrutiny. There is a lot of hate for Godrick, Dung Eater, Mogh, Seluvis and so on.

[jasonbarron]

Originally posted by Kain:

Originally posted by Lyskir:

just because the lore doesnt mention her training doesnt mean she is suddenly not worthy of "respect"

It does, some dude wearing blue trains her. You find a talisman with this lore piece.

"Rey is a Mary Sue because even though she grew up orphaned on tattooine, the lore doesn't specifically mention her developing her skills! Luke is totally acceptable as a super stud taking the Death Star down because some obscure bit of lore mentions that he hunted swamp rats when he was younger!"

[Official Joaquin Phoenix!]

Originally posted by Kain:

Originally posted by Coraline was a good movie:

Tbh you're definitely right on that. There's always a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of scrutiny around female characters, their actions, their powers etc that male characters rarely receives back.

I think you're all projecting your political beliefs, men and women are open to scrutiny. There is a lot of hate for Godrick, Dung Eater, Mogh, Seluvis and so on.

OP literally mentioned Godrick as someone you can respect "for getting where they are" when the game shows him to be a monstrous coward.

[Moth]

Originally posted by Kain:

Originally posted by Kyutaru:

Godrick - sin of Envy
Rykard - sin of Gluttony
Mogh - sin of Lust
Malenia - sin of Pride
Rennala - sin of Greed
Morgott - sin of Wrath
Radahn - sin of Vainglory
Ranni - sin of Sloth

What was Rennala greedy about? Radagons ♥♥♥♥?

i wheezed

[Moth]

Originally posted by Coraline was a good movie:

Originally posted by Kain:

I think you're all projecting your political beliefs, men and women are open to scrutiny. There is a lot of hate for Godrick, Dung Eater, Mogh, Seluvis and so on.

OP literally mentioned Godrick as someone you can respect "for getting where they are" when the game shows him to be a monstrous coward.

Didn't Godrick kiss Malenia's feet to save his skin?

[jasonbarron]

Originally posted by Lyskir:

Originally posted by Coraline was a good movie:

Why you gonna respect Godrick who literally dismembers people to try to become more powerful and spends most of his lore getting his asskicked but "hate" Malenia who was born crippled with cosmic cancer and still became one of the strongest demigods after learning in the arts of swordmanship from a blind guy? She doesn't even use magic, only her sword, and that was enough to fight Radahn and pummel Godrick.

because she wamen, OP not like wamen who appear to be strong, wamen only have to make peepee hard, but malenia no have big tits so malenia baaaad

this entire thread is a neckbeard moment, there are tons of characters to dislike, like godrick that pathetic peace of garbage, all the demigods were born with power and nobody really earned it, rhadan was the only one mentioned in the lore to have had some training, just because the lore doesnt mention her training doesnt mean she is suddenly not worthy of "respect"
and btw, its a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game, OP needs to touch some grass

Not only touch some grass but meet a woman and realize that they aren't really that scary, but actually kind of delightful

[Official Joaquin Phoenix!]

Originally posted by Moth:

Originally posted by Coraline was a good movie:

OP literally mentioned Godrick as someone you can respect "for getting where they are" when the game shows him to be a monstrous coward.

Didn't Godrick kiss Malenia's feet to save his skin?

After he insulted her and got his ass beat.

[Moth]

Originally posted by Coraline was a good movie:

Originally posted by Moth:

Didn't Godrick kiss Malenia's feet to save his skin?

After he insulted her and got his ass beat.

Damn
Godrick an incel

[Kain]

Originally posted by Moth:

Originally posted by Coraline was a good movie:

After he insulted her and got his ass beat.

Damn
Godrick an incel

He also dressed as a woman to escape Chadhan.

[Official Joaquin Phoenix!]

Originally posted by Moth:

Originally posted by Coraline was a good movie:

After he insulted her and got his ass beat.

Damn
Godrick an incel

"I was only pretending to be defeated to soothe her ego."