The amount of reused bosses and enemies is ridiculous

[kestar]

I wish the world was 1/2 as big, but with unique encounters rather than the huge amount of rehashed bosses/enemies that we have today.

After the capital it becomes glaringly obvious. It feels very cheap and rushed.

How many variations of gargoyle, tree sentinel, erdtree avatars, magma dragons, dragons do I have to fight before it gets old?

[Shiggieb00]

Originalmente postado por Lahoo Eckbert:

Yeah but then I wouldn't want the world to be smaller. I think it is one of the main appeals of the game.
Instead I'd wish that they would keep working on the game and add new stuff and rework existing cheap stuff like other mmo's out there. It would be great if they could remake Castle Redmane into a legacy dungeon like Stormveil with it's unique enemies and stuff for example.

Its the main point of the game.. idiots dont understand whats going on.. its a vast open world. Just because there isnt enemies patrolling every square inch, doesnt mean its also not full of obstacles, puzzles, traps, etc..

But yet they want it "smaller"

[StayFrosty ⚓]

Originalmente postado por Lahoo Eckbert:

Yeah but then I wouldn't want the world to be smaller. I think it is one of the main appeals of the game.
Instead I'd wish that they would keep working on the game and add new stuff and rework existing cheap stuff like other mmo's out there. It would be great if they could remake Castle Redmane into a legacy dungeon like Stormveil with it's unique enemies and stuff for example.

I have faith we are going to see some amazing DLC's in the future for this game. A few quests hinted as much, and there were a few data mined assets that also indicated there will be add on's coming.

[vaanomega]

Originalmente postado por TheMetalCorpser:

Originalmente postado por vaanomega:

Someone already compared DS1/2/3 and Elden Ring in term of ennemy type without taking the reskined ennemies in the total fr ER, and even then, Elden Ring had a bigger bestiary without the reskins

I'd like to see that comparison if you have a link to it.

Here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/tk4vk2/on_elden_rings_enemy_variety_and_how_it_compares/

He took the time to compare them, personnaly, i think we saw more the Copy/Paste ennemies in Elden Ring because how big the game is, and therefore, they needed to copy/paste more than any other of their games and became more visible, personnaly, i don't mind the reused bosses/mini-bosses as they are optionnal and on't really mind killing the same strong ennemie multiple times, but for main bosses, i like uniqueness and to me even the reused main bosses had something new when you meet them again, in the end, i feel like if the world was 50 to 30% smaller, and dungeons a little bigger and complex, it would have been a even better game

[TheMetalCorpser]

Originalmente postado por vaanomega:

Originalmente postado por TheMetalCorpser:

I'd like to see that comparison if you have a link to it.

Here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/tk4vk2/on_elden_rings_enemy_variety_and_how_it_compares/

He took the time to compare them, personnaly, i think we saw more the Copy/Paste ennemies in Elden Ring because how big the game is, and therefore, they needed to copy/paste more than any other of their games and became more visible, personnaly, i don't mind the reused bosses/mini-bosses as they are optionnal and on't really mind killing the same strong ennemie multiple times, but for main bosses, i like uniqueness and to me even the reused main bosses had something new when you meet them again, in the end, i feel like if the world was 50 to 30% smaller, and dungeons a little bigger and complex, it would have been a even better game

Hm some on that list I feel like were added just to inflate the numbers for ER. For example they listed the different versions of demi-humans wielding different weapons. Another example is numbers 1-3. Those are essentially the same model just different weapons, clothing, and postures. I mean if you take the time to look at the soldiers and knights in the game they just made up factions so they could place more of those around than what was needed. And I know someone is going to say "but the lore". Well they could have changed the lore to have different enemies under each faction. But that's apparently asking too much of a huge company. Unfortunately that doesn't list the enemies from DS2 and DS3 but just numbers.

I will agree with you on the last bit though. I just don't see myself replaying this one as much as I did DS1 & DS3.

[LitchAzazel]

Originalmente postado por TheMetalCorpser:

Originalmente postado por vaanomega:

Here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/tk4vk2/on_elden_rings_enemy_variety_and_how_it_compares/

He took the time to compare them, personnaly, i think we saw more the Copy/Paste ennemies in Elden Ring because how big the game is, and therefore, they needed to copy/paste more than any other of their games and became more visible, personnaly, i don't mind the reused bosses/mini-bosses as they are optionnal and on't really mind killing the same strong ennemie multiple times, but for main bosses, i like uniqueness and to me even the reused main bosses had something new when you meet them again, in the end, i feel like if the world was 50 to 30% smaller, and dungeons a little bigger and complex, it would have been a even better game

Hm some on that list I feel like were added just to inflate the numbers for ER. For example they listed the different versions of demi-humans wielding different weapons. Another example is numbers 1-3. Those are essentially the same model just different weapons, clothing, and postures. I mean if you take the time to look at the soldiers and knights in the game they just made up factions so they could place more of those around than what was needed. And I know someone is going to say "but the lore". Well they could have changed the lore to have different enemies under each faction. But that's apparently asking too much of a huge company. Unfortunately that doesn't list the enemies from DS2 and DS3 but just numbers.

I will agree with you on the last bit though. I just don't see myself replaying this one as much as I did DS1 & DS3.

If you look through the comments in that page you will see someone listed all the DS3 enemies using the same method the OP used and DS3 came out to 220 types where as ER is 140.

[TheMetalCorpser]

Originalmente postado por LitchAzazel:

If you look through the comments in that page you will see someone listed all the DS3 enemies using the same method the OP used and DS3 came out to 220 types where as ER is 140.

I didn't scroll down too far after seeing the end of the list and the numbers for the other games. Did that include the DLCs cause that would skew the data even if it was playing by the same rules the original list was.

[LitchAzazel]

Originalmente postado por TheMetalCorpser:

Originalmente postado por LitchAzazel:

If you look through the comments in that page you will see someone listed all the DS3 enemies using the same method the OP used and DS3 came out to 220 types where as ER is 140.

I didn't scroll down too far after seeing the end of the list and the numbers for the other games. Did that include the DLCs cause that would skew the data even if it was playing by the same rules the original list was.

I'm not sure since I didn't like DS3 and only played the DLC once so I wouldn't know which enemies are form the DLC, but he did list the names of all the enemies so if you want to look through it just go down to the comments and sort by "New" it will be the second comment.

[TheMetalCorpser]

Originalmente postado por LitchAzazel:

I'm not sure since I didn't like DS3 and only played the DLC once so I wouldn't know which enemies are form the DLC, but he did list the names of all the enemies so if you want to look through it just go down to the comments and sort by "New" it will be the second comment.

Alright. Thanks for the info.

[pRaX]

That's what happens when you go too big for your own good in combination with running out of time.

[vaanomega]

Originalmente postado por TheMetalCorpser:

Originalmente postado por LitchAzazel:

If you look through the comments in that page you will see someone listed all the DS3 enemies using the same method the OP used and DS3 came out to 220 types where as ER is 140.

I didn't scroll down too far after seeing the end of the list and the numbers for the other games. Did that include the DLCs cause that would skew the data even if it was playing by the same rules the original list was.

I'm not familiar with DS3 but he list above from the comment used multiple times the same names, i saw Rat/Mimic/Thrall/.... multiple times, so to me it seems to be a troll

I took the list from the comment;

DS3 enemies include:

Grave Warden
Ravenous Crystal Lizard
Grave Warden
Strved Hound
Crystal Lizard
Sword Master
Hollow
Hollow Soldier
Hollow Assassin
Pus of Man
Starved Hound
Lothric Knight
Winged Knight
Mimic
Crystal Lizard
Lothric Wyvern
Darkwraith
Hollow
Worker Hollow
Caged Hollow
Thrall
Starved Hound
Hollow Manservant
Evangelist
Rat
Giant Rat
Root Skeleton
Demon
Outrider Knight
Giant of the Undead Settlement
Crystal Lizard
Corvian
Corvian Storyteller
Starved Hound
Lycanthrope
Lycanthrope Hunter
Poisonhorn Bug
Crab
Giant Crab
Black Knight
Sage's Prentice
Evangelist
Hollow Manservant
Crystal Lizard
Madwoman
Twin Exiles
Starved Hound
Reanimated Corpse
Infested Corpse
Maggot-grub
Cathedral Grave Warden
Devout Hollow
Thrall
Deacon
Cathedral Knight
Evangelist
Giant
Man-grub
Deep Accursed
Crystal Lizard
Ravenous Crystal Lizard
Fallen Knight
Brigand
Ghru Grunt
Ghru Leaper
Ghru Conjurator
Mad Ghru
Elder Ghru
Rotten Slug
Black Knight
Basilisk
Corvian
Corvian Storyteller
Giant Crab
Darkwraith
Hollow Soldier
Hollow Assassin
Stray Demon
Crystal Lizard
Ravenous Crystal Lizard
Skeleton
Carthus Grave Warden
Carthus Swordsman
Skeleton Wheel
Skeleton Ball
Rat
Rotten Flesh
Crystal Lizard
Demon
Carthus Sandworm
Crab
Giant Crab
Demon Cleric
Ghru Leaper
Ghru Grunt
Mad Ghru
Ghru Conjurator
Basilisk
Black Knight
Smouldering Flesh
Demon Statue
Skeleton Wheel
Carthus Swordsman
Rat
Crystal Lizard
Mimic
Knight Slayer Tsorig
Pontiff Knight
Fire Witch
Irithyllian Slave
Irithyllian Hound
Silver knight
Sewer Centipede
Evangelist
Corvian
Giant
Deacon
Crystal Lizard
Sulyvahn's Beast
Mimic
Drang Knights
Silver Knight
Deacon
Flesh of Aldrich
Deep Accursed
Corpse
Infested Corpse
Maggot-grub
Caged Hollow
Jailer Hollow
Jailer
Wretch
Lycanthrope
Rat
Giant Rat
Basilisk
Giant
Mimic
Crystal Lizard
Monstrosity of Sin
Survivor of the Flame
Sewer Centipede
Headless Gargoyle
Mimic
Crystal Lizard
Court Sorcerer
Pus of Man
Rotten Slug
Cathedral Knight
Thrall
Man-serpent
Hollow Priest
Grave Warden
Cathedral Grave Warden
Black Knight
Starved Hound
Corvian
Corvian Storyteller
Ravenous Crystal Lizard
Pus of Man
Elite Hollow Soldier
Hollow Assassin
Lothric Knight
Winged Knight
Boreal Outrider Knight
Lothric Wyvern
Mimic
Crystal Lizard
Elite Hollow Soldier
Thrall
Lothric Knight
Blue Lothric Knight
Gertrude's Knight
Boreal Outrider Knight
Crystal Sage (Grand Archives)
Scholar
Man-grub
Gargoyle
Corvian
Corvian Storyteller
Crystal Lizard
Lion Knight Albert
Black Hand Kamui
Daughter of Crystal Kriemhild
Man-serpent
Giant Man-serpent
Man-serpent Summoner
Rock Lizard
Wyvern
Crystal Lizard
Drakeblood Knight
Rapier Champion
Havel Knight
Farron Follower
Tree Woman
Millwood Knight
Icy Giant Crab
Corvian Settler
Corvian Knight
Sewer Centipede
Giant Fly
Wolf
Crystal Lizard
Sir Vilhelm
Murkman
Harald Knight
Angel
Angel Pilgrim
Overgrown Lothric Knight
Thrall
Poisonhorn Bug
Crystal Lizard
Desert Pyromancer Zoey
Root Skeleton
Judicator
Ringed City Hollow
Hollow Cleric
Ringed Knight
Locust Preacher
Iron Dragonslayer
Crystal Lizard
Shira, Knight of Filianore

[LitchAzazel]

Originalmente postado por vaanomega:

Originalmente postado por TheMetalCorpser:

I didn't scroll down too far after seeing the end of the list and the numbers for the other games. Did that include the DLCs cause that would skew the data even if it was playing by the same rules the original list was.

I'm not familiar with DS3 but he list above from the comment used multiple times the same names, i saw Rat/Mimic/Thrall/.... multiple times, so to me it seems to be a troll

He is listing the multiple versions of the same enemies. Such as Thrall with hand axe and Thrall with Greatsword. He should have specified it better. But the reason for repeats is cause the OP did it too, for example:
Demi-Humans (Sword & Shield)
Demi-Humans (Small & Agile)
Demi-Humans (Large With Big Club)

[TheMetalCorpser]

Originalmente postado por LitchAzazel:

He is listing the multiple versions of the same enemies. Such as Thrall with hand axe and Thrall with Greatsword. He should have specified it better. But the reason for repeats is cause the OP did it too, for example:
Demi-Humans (Sword & Shield)
Demi-Humans (Small & Agile)
Demi-Humans (Large With Big Club)

That's what I thought it was but I haven't taken the time to look through the other list yet.

[vaanomega]

Originalmente postado por LitchAzazel:

Originalmente postado por vaanomega:

Snip

He is listing the multiple versions of the same enemies. Such as Thrall with hand axe and Thrall with Greatsword. He should have specified it better. But the reason for repeats is cause the OP did it too, for example:
Demi-Humans (Sword & Shield)
Demi-Humans (Small & Agile)
Demi-Humans (Large With Big Club)

Why basic Rat are listed 5 times, Giant rats 2 times, mimic 6 times and many also other ennemies sharing the same exact names listed multiple times ?

[LitchAzazel]

Originalmente postado por TheMetalCorpser:

That's what I thought it was but I haven't taken the time to look through the other list yet.

Actually, I started looking through it and there is a lot of repeats that are strange. I don't remember there being that many variants of the same enemy in DS3 such as 3 different Hollow Assassins. It is possible he's listing the same ones over and over, so I'm not sure now if that list is reliable.

[LitchAzazel]

Originalmente postado por vaanomega:

Why basic Rat are listed 5 times, Giant rats 2 times, mimic 6 times and many also other ennemies sharing the same exact names listed multiple times ?

Yeah, I'm wondering that now too. If you use Reddit you should ask him cause that is really strange.