Possible Dark Souls 2 Easter Egg?

[Ocean Man]

Did anyone else had these weird Dark Souls 2 DLC ("frigid outskirts") flashbacks upon entering the main gate of castle Sol?

Just want to make sure that I'm not the only one who noticed this.
You probably know what I'm talking about if you played the DLC back then.

[shinami]

To answer your question, I have been to Castle Sol but I never got to play SotFS. It's part of the reason I bought it on Steam about 2 days ago.

Not gonna lie, I've wondered if the massive cup-like thing right after the Fire Giant was something akin to the Lord Vessel or Kiln of the First Flame. I've also wondered if the world being painted at the end of DS3 was the beginning of either BB or ER and all of From's Souls-like games are just loosely connected. I'm not some huge loreophile though. So, I'm not even sure it could be possible.

[Ocean Man]

Publicado originalmente por shinami:

To answer your question, I have been to Castle Sol but I never got to play SotFS. It's part of the reason I bought it on Steam about 2 days ago.

Not gonna lie, I've wondered if the massive cup-like thing right after the Fire Giant was something akin to the Lord Vessel or Kiln of the First Flame. I've also wondered if the world being painted at the end of DS3 was the beginning of either BB or ER and all of From's Souls-like games are just loosely connected. I'm not some huge loreophile though. So, I'm not even sure it could be possible.

Oh ok, If you haven't played the DS2 DLCs yet, then I won't elaborate on this topic any further to avoid spoiling you.

For anyone else who's interested:
The two lion beasts right at the entrance reminded me of Lud and Zallen (Boss).

[shinami]

Publicado originalmente por Ocean Man:

Oh ok, If you haven't played the DS2 DLCs yet, then I won't elaborate on this topic any further to avoid spoiling you.

For anyone else who's interested:
The two lion beasts right at the entrance reminded me of Lud and Zallen (Boss).

Dude, it's been out for years. I'm not worried about being spoiled but I do appreciate your concern over it. ^-^

[Ocean Man]

Publicado originalmente por shinami:

Publicado originalmente por Ocean Man:

Oh ok, If you haven't played the DS2 DLCs yet, then I won't elaborate on this topic any further to avoid spoiling you.

For anyone else who's interested:
The two lion beasts right at the entrance reminded me of Lud and Zallen (Boss).

Dude, it's been out for years. I'm not worried about being spoiled but I do appreciate your concern over it. ^-^

No worries, I believe everyone should have at least the opportunity to experience these games by themselves without spoilers.

[Vermin]

Whole game is DS2 easter egg,

[DeadlyFred]

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Whole game is DS2 easter egg,

Yeah, there's a lot that reminds me of DS2 in ER.

[vamirez]

The game has many parts that remind me of all the different Soulsborne titles. And you could theorize that the endboss is similar to a BB great one, or to the old one in Demons Souls, and perhaps characters from the different worlds ended up in the Lands Between, including folks from the land of reeds (Sekiro) and ofc Patches. This place is "beyond the fog", which is also a common theme. Then we have trees and dragons... and many little details we know from the other games. The death chariots are like that one in DS 2. Hunting undead and weeding their root is a parallel to BB. There is a lot of stuff like that :)

[MrSoul]

War with giants, gods misbehaving starts with good intentions, subversive plot challenges concepts of “good and evil”, whole “eternal cities” thing, and story of humanity being lost in mix of all this madness while trying to just survive

That and yes, noticed that at castle sol, sure if went back refreshed my memory there’s more

Guess there’s a rumour that ER is essentially what they wanted DS2 to be but couldn’t pull off back in day.

[SadPlatty©]

I agree with you in some capacity, and have also noted things that seem interconnected; though I sorta look at it like this:

Sekiro = Land of Reeds; this place has existed since at least DS1 on the Woodgrain Ring's description I believe (some item mentioned some far east land). ER also mentions some travesty going on, and how the country shut their borders while they deal with some stuff. This to me almost makes me wonder if it is possible ER and Sekiro didn't just get developed side-by-side, but are in the same world.

The Kiln at the Moutaintop of Giants ALSO does remind me of the Kiln of the First Flame. And the fact that you do what you do there is similar to older games in a way, I wonder if ER is actually the first/prequel.

In DS1, a major theme I remember is "the gods are dead or gone" basically, which is pretty damn funny since you sorta tank a bunch of demi-gods and a god (hmmm, almost like there are ramifications maybe?)

Additionally, the ERDTree is basically the same thing you see a TON of in the Ashen Lake (which almost resembles the last boss back-drop if I remember it correctly).

Additionally, I could see the whole "Glintstone" magic being the precursor to some other plot points (Big Hat Loghan and Seathe with Crystal magic - wait - glintstones are crystals).

The Ending however is what I wonder about - which one would go into it. Based on the description; I almost suspect the Dung Eaters however (talks about cursing literally everyone in the new order basically JUST like the Chosen Undead being a cursed Hollow).

Then there are some speculations to tie DS 2 into 1, and 3 into those, so it is almost like the "true" ending is cursing everyone so that they can continue the cycle of hunting down the realms most powerful threats (basically demi's all over again), but you are then Kindling the Flame (restarting the cycle of the curse).

Where I have a hard time fitting them - is Demon's Souls and Bloodborne; though I would say Demon's is probably around the time of Elden Ring (Maybe something we did here was why Bolitaria was covered in a "fog"?) Hell, for all we know, Old One was the corporeal form of Destined Death.

My last speculation about Demon's also being around the same time - is thorugh the use of "Firekeepers". ER AND Demon's - they where maidens. ONLY in souls are they "FireKeepers". This makes me think they are then also related to keeping the embers of the Erdtree or something burning, with hopes to undo the cycle we start here. Then them not having eyes would be them almost taking after the Maiden in this one (one eyed), as she also gave us our marching orders sorta.

The Hands? More Like King Seekers - err sorry, Lord Seekers in this particular one.

TL:DR - maybe they are actually world building in the sense of things being the same but different between cycles, and this looks similar as it was supposed to. Sometimes the best stories are the longest ones.

[MrSoul]

Back up what you’re saying Platy just started deep dive refresh memory on lore, DS1 and 2 obviously connected, and 1 starts with these lines:
“In the Age of Ancients the world was unformed, shrouded by fog. A land of gray crags, Archtrees and Everlasting Dragons.”

I mean…sure sounds like Lands Between in summary to me…maybe in more of a “spiritual successor”(or if was myth and legend by time Nito and crew are doing there thang, maybe just got it wrong in ways with recap from 1, no of course I’m inserting my own head canon here to a large degree haha) sense but at some point makes wonder if this was meant to be a prequel, and a foundational for some kind of connected universe, BB either being way after or just another realm altogether influenced by something related to outer gods and specifically here the moon.

[SadPlatty©]

Actually - looking back on the Old One wiki page; to my last post, the Old One could also make the game take place after ER.

It is in one hand revered as an irrevocable poison the kills all living things. It is also believed that should the Fog cover the world, then the Old One would kill every single living thing. This is - to me - basically a Demon that is the Scarlet Rot (ironically enough some NPCs are believed to revere it as a god that blesses them with miracles like Saint Urbain).

The other hand though - Allant says it is a "creation of god as an act of mercy", so this is back to another form of Destined Death, as a world without death would sire misery and misfortune (almost like everyone would go hollow). So maybe that would be to say it goes Dung Eater ending - Demon's Souls good ending (you put the Old One to sleep), then this kicks off Dark Souls (nobody can die again).

[shinami]

Publicado originalmente por SadPlatty©:

SNIP! SNIP! Huge lore talk.

The one thing that I'd need answered to buy into that is this; Where is Gwyn, the Witch of Izalith, and such? DS1 started with the First Flame effectively spawning Life and Death into what was an unmoving world without time. Gwyn and his ilk went to war with the dragons right after the Flame was born, securing the Age of Fire.

I realize this last bit is most likely me reaching and meta-gaming hardcore but... Ranni's ending is called Age of Stars.

[vamirez]

Iji looks like the giant smith in DS1, including his headgear.

The smith in roundtable hold and the guys in all the mines are from Demons Souls. Scaling the wall of Stormveil castle is very similar to the first part of the Boletarian castle.

Godwyn is the first demigod who died, the first of those who live in death - in DS1 Nito is the "first of the dead".

[SadPlatty©]

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Back up what you’re saying Platy just started deep dive refresh memory on lore, DS1 and 2 obviously connected, and 1 starts with these lines:
“In the Age of Ancients the world was unformed, shrouded by fog. A land of gray crags, Archtrees and Everlasting Dragons.”

I mean…sure sounds like Lands Between in summary to me…maybe in more of a “spiritual successor”(or if was myth and legend by time Nito and crew are doing there thang, maybe just got it wrong in ways with recap from 1, no of course I’m inserting my own head canon here to a large degree haha) sense but at some point makes wonder if this was meant to be a prequel, and a foundational for some kind of connected universe, BB either being way after or just another realm altogether influenced by something related to outer gods and specifically here the moon.

Nah - great points; and I would suggest then the Furtive Pygme may also be the Player in ER. You did your thing, but a Cardinal Sin is usually enough to NOT be revered in history as a good guy ("This mutha just burned down god basically, what an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥!")

I think Nito and them are then potentially the forms of the Demi's trying to draw back their power (and would help detail why you CONSTANTLY needed 4 things - almost like they have half power not being Demi's anymore also).

Some of it is tough to keep together - but I would like to believe they are attempting some super long end-game lore wise. and headcannon is why this type of discussion can be so fun - so many possibilities xD

[SadPlatty©]

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Publicado originalmente por SadPlatty©:

SNIP! SNIP! Huge lore talk.

The one thing that I'd need answered to buy into that is this; Where is Gwyn, the Witch of Izalith, and such? DS1 started with the First Flame effectively spawning Life and Death into what was an unmoving world without time. Gwyn and his ilk went to war with the dragons right after the Flame was born, securing the Age of Fire.

I realize this last bit is most likely me reaching and meta-gaming hardcore but... Ranni's ending is called Age of Stars.

Is a good challenge - I do admit some of this is tough to line up, and that may also hint towards the Frenzied Flame ending (perhaps each ending = another title).

The Lost Witch I would suspect could be one of the powerful mages in ER like Sellen. Some of the themes in the games are repetitive, and if she failed to properly harness the power of the stars/glinstone, I would suspect that in another form in the Age of Fire, she would have similarly botched it up (and so a collection of minds similar to the orb would be the Waking Chaos) - which is more of a dynamic shift as the flame is more volatile than the stars.

Gwyn, I would then Argue is Godfrey; they are the "First" in their realms to take the title of master. If there are other gods beyond EB that witnessed your actions, and damning the entirety of souls to a curse; they may have also stripped your power (making you the chosen undead as you are merely an empty vessel that once did and again can contain the power of gods).

Them fighting the Dragons though IDK - in ER they sorta got along (Placidusex did have a favorite human); and so maybe these nicer dragons are the Covenant Keepers later (and we envoke their primordial form via the stones).

To be fair, this is really stretching though in some directions to try and keep the band-aids on lol.

EDIT: and should other gods exist, maybe this would help explain translations between titles (like how it is believed Oceirous in DS3 studied Seathes/Big Hat's work from DS1 and that was what drove him mad).

For all we know - Seathe is truly primordial and the crystal was just to protect his physical form (while his spiritual form is just ripped apart with each realm cycle and so dragons even lose power over the ages).

Some few exceptions are interesting though (Like Darkeater Midir AND Artorias fell to the same fate from the darkness of humanity).