fingerprint shield is genuinely going to make me quit this game

[löcher]

i've heard alot of people saying you can counter turtle builds utilizing this shield if you're good. that's true if your opponent is genuinely retarded but if they aren't there's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ you can do to counter it besides also using it. I have a cipher pata upgraded specifically for the purpose of countering this specific build. that fact alone should tell you something is wrong, but even having that doesn't always work. most of the people using it know what this weapon is, and what it does, and it's easily dodged and can be punished. many of them will use erdtree protection for even more elemental resistance and only take 10 damage from pure magic. what are you actually supposed to do against that? if they're even halfway decent it's essentially uncounterable. if you try to proc status effects, they can just bloodhound step away. this is horrible and nothing about it is enjoyable to fight against.
i'm not complaining about 3v1s every invasion.
i'm not complaining about infinite madness stunlock.
i'm not complaining about moonveil.
i'm not complaining about rivers of blood.
you can beat all of those things if you just have enough skill and knowhow. (lag RNG can decide your fate sometimes with madness snipe spammers)
but I genuinely have no idea how to counter this, and i know i'm not a horrible player. i win about 60% of my invasions. i win against people when i'm outnumbered in many cases. if anyone has any information on how to counter people who are both A: using fingerprint shield and turtling and B: are actually halfway decent, then please enlighten me.

[Thou Cringer]

yeah i just dc if someone is using it, not much else to do

[Carlucio]

Get a shield a rapier yourself. Metapod battle.

[löcher]

Originally posted by Carlucio:

Get a shield a rapier yourself. Metapod battle.

i acknowledge this options, but this entirely defeats the point, obviously. noone wants to do that, and it's not fun. if i'm sacrificing my fun to play the game, then i might as well do literally anything else, like the laundry, or the dishes.

[Carlucio]

Originally posted by skull:

Originally posted by Carlucio:

Get a shield a rapier yourself. Metapod battle.

i acknowledge this options, but this entirely defeats the point, obviously. noone wants to do that, and it's not fun. if i'm sacrificing my fun to play the game, then i might as well do literally anything else, like the laundry, or the dishes.

It wasn't a serious suggestion.

[Professor Hugedix]

just jump over them and 360 noscope them in the back

[Muh skeeter]

spam the coded sword skill

[löcher]

Originally posted by Your Friend Hana:

Magic, poison, bleed, aoe stuff, parrying.

magic does barely any damage
poison and bleed they just bloodstep away if the bar gets too high
and parrying is a viable option but why should you have to be so much better than these people when they can just spam left mouse button to win. dark souls 3 didn't have this problem nearly as bad.

[löcher]

Originally posted by Liminal Boundary:

Originally posted by skull:

magic does barely any damage
poison and bleed they just bloodstep away if the bar gets too high
and parrying is a viable option but why should you have to be so much better than these people when they can just spam left mouse button to win. dark souls 3 didn't have this problem nearly as bad.

The solution I used in DS3 was scythes and shotel. But it really was bad there,
especially if you had no way to get through shields.

atleast they could be guard broken in DS3 and it was much harder to run a shield. i don't even think the fingerprint shield can be guardbroken in this game if you use the right talismans.

[Broso]

Go ahead and quit this mostly single player PvE game because it doesn't live up to your PvP expectations. You won't be missed.

[löcher]

Originally posted by Broso:

Go ahead and quit this mostly single player PvE game because it doesn't live up to your PvP expectations. You won't be missed.

there's no need to become toxic, really. i've already beaten the entire game. but you shouldn't make excuses for the pvp to be an unbalanced mess. either have it be enjoyable and as balanced as it can be, or have it not be in the game. (you can't really have perfect balance in a game with such a wide variety of builds, but I played dark souls 2 and 3, and I believe they had nothing that was this level of broken)

[--T-a-u-r-u-s--]

I thing that shield is broken like you can take anything with it without stamina drain up I had only problem with Melánia and guy with black blade

[General Tenebrous]

Originally posted by skull:

(you can't really have perfect balance in a game with such a wide variety of builds, but I played dark souls 2 and 3, and I believe they had nothing that was this level of broken)

DS3 had the painting guardian CS infinite L2 loop. Infinite until you ran out of FP, but it was a true combo from start to death as long as the player timed the stun correctly. And DS2 had issues with players spamming running R1s from katanas with hitboxes the size of the side of a barn. But yes, in terms of scale, ER takes it to a whole new level. At least with the PGCS you could dodge the initial hit, or it just ends quickly. And DS2 katanas you could just roll each time. There's many things that need to be reworked here (like most ashes of war are only equippable on certain weapon types, Bloodhound's step should really only be equippable on daggers, not colossal weapons FFS).

[leere]

Originally posted by Broso:

Go ahead and quit this mostly single player PvE game because it doesn't live up to your PvP expectations. You won't be missed.

your own rejection of a relatively large aspect of the game doesn't mean that it's fine if it's poorly implemented
it's a full priced game, it's reasonable to complain if it isn't polished

[Broso]

Originally posted by sand stenotritidae:

Originally posted by Broso:

Go ahead and quit this mostly single player PvE game because it doesn't live up to your PvP expectations. You won't be missed.

your own rejection of a relatively large aspect of the game doesn't mean that it's fine if it's poorly implemented
it's a full priced game, it's reasonable to complain if it isn't polished

It's polished where it matters.

[leere]

Originally posted by Broso:

Originally posted by sand stenotritidae:

your own rejection of a relatively large aspect of the game doesn't mean that it's fine if it's poorly implemented
it's a full priced game, it's reasonable to complain if it isn't polished

It's polished where it matters.

how are you able to determine what matters though