Malenia

[Gondor50yen]

Its good boss, but her flying multistike attack should be nerf, ts unbalance

[Rord64]

Miquella isn't a boss

[TyresTyco]

Malenia*. Miquella is her brother and in the egg. Not a boss fight yet.

[Gondor50yen]

yeh yeh u know i tolk about malenia blade of mikella)

[Baron01]

Originally posted by Gondor50yen:

Its good boss, but her flying multistike attack should be nerf, ts unbalance

Malenia is bad boss fight that can be made much easier by choosing "right" build and "right" weapon. You can kill her with other stuff but it will be a lot harder and frustrating than it need to be. She is badly designed boss where game developer either decided to force people to certain builds or it was a huge oversight on Fromsoft side.
If there was a site of grace literally next to boss fog, I would have not bothered with Malenia since it was exercise in frustration and futility until I realized I have to change weapon and grind 40-odd levels to dump into Arcane so my bleed (that I never intended to use on my quality Str/Dex/Fai build) can annihilate her before she can screw me with her special moves.

[Onni]

Originally posted by Baron01:

Originally posted by Gondor50yen:

Its good boss, but her flying multistike attack should be nerf, ts unbalance

Malenia is bad boss fight that can be made much easier by choosing "right" build and "right" weapon. You can kill her with other stuff but it will be a lot harder and frustrating than it need to be. She is badly designed boss where game developer either decided to force people to certain builds or it was a huge oversight on Fromsoft side.
If there was a site of grace literally next to boss fog, I would have not bothered with Malenia since it was exercise in frustration and futility until I realized I have to change weapon and grind 40-odd levels to dump into Arcane so my bleed (that I never intended to use on my quality Str/Dex/Fai build) can annihilate her before she can screw me with her special moves.

She doesn't force you in to any build, she can be beaten with anything it just depends on how good you are.
Thats also how all the bosses are, they are easy for some builds are hard for others.

[Red]

Originally posted by Baron01:

Originally posted by Gondor50yen:

Its good boss, but her flying multistike attack should be nerf, ts unbalance

Malenia is bad boss fight that can be made much easier by choosing "right" build and "right" weapon. You can kill her with other stuff but it will be a lot harder and frustrating than it need to be. She is badly designed boss where game developer either decided to force people to certain builds or it was a huge oversight on Fromsoft side.
If there was a site of grace literally next to boss fog, I would have not bothered with Malenia since it was exercise in frustration and futility until I realized I have to change weapon and grind 40-odd levels to dump into Arcane so my bleed (that I never intended to use on my quality Str/Dex/Fai build) can annihilate her before she can screw me with her special moves.

She doesnt force people to use the "right" build. This is a fight where you just have to git gud unironically. Ive seen people do it with faith builds, powerstancing, int builds, which are the ones that they have used for the majority of their playthrough.

[Izlude]

Originally posted by Gondor50yen:

Its good boss, but her flying multistike attack should be nerf, ts unbalance

She doesnt at all. I aint even good at the game and I beat her using melee only despite my build having like no points in str. Its just timing. Last thing we need is for her to be given the Radahn treatment.

[👌ActioN ツ]

Malenia is my favorite / top 3 bosses in Elden ring, because it's just getting know how to play the fight (melee user here) it's like gael in DS3, dodge right time and hit. Boss is challenging and it's a good thing.

[Baron01]

Originally posted by Onnisaurus:

Thats how all the bosses are, they are easy for some builds are hard for others.

Absolutely not. I have killed everything before Malenia and after her, including final boss, with my Treespear as a quality melee build using incantation to buff myself and my weapon. Treespear is completely non-viable for Malenia or just makes the fight pointlessly more difficult compared to katana with a bleed.

I could push through all bosses with enough focus and learning the encounter with my existing build and weapons even if they were not optimal but Malenia just did not work. I could not hit her twice in a row with Treespear as she flinched on first hit but was able to dodge away my second hit or start one of her uninterruptible attacks, which punished me and healed her on top. I can easily hit her 3 times with Nakagiba (running poke + 2 slashes) before she can get out or I need to dodge away from her attacks. This means that every 2, max 3, times I attack here I also proc bleed effect that deals massive damage. If I stick to spear I would be whittling her HP down for long minutes only to slip once on her Waterflow Dance to see her HP go back to full.

I'm not saying players do not need to adjust their strategies or learn bosses but it is very different situation when a single boss is so much easier with a specific weapon type and build.

[MOSLEY]

Originally posted by Philogosten:

Originally posted by Gondor50yen:

Its good boss, but her flying multistike attack should be nerf, ts unbalance

She doesnt at all. I aint even good at the game and I beat her using melee only despite my build having like no points in str. Its just timing. Last thing we need is for her to be given the Radahn treatment.

I don’t think she’ll be nerfed because she’s optional.

[Onni]

Originally posted by Baron01:

Originally posted by Onnisaurus:

Thats how all the bosses are, they are easy for some builds are hard for others.

Absolutely not. I have killed everything before Malenia and after her, including final boss, with my Treespear as a quality melee build using incantation to buff myself and my weapon. Treespear is completely non-viable for Malenia or just makes the fight pointlessly more difficult compared to katana with a bleed.

I could push through all bosses with enough focus and learning the encounter with my existing build and weapons even if they were not optimal but Malenia just did not work. I could not hit her twice in a row with Treespear as he flinched on first hit but was able to dodge away my second hit or start one of her uninterruptible attacks, which punished me and healed her on top. I can easily hit her 3 times with Nakagiba (running poke + 2 slashes) before she can get out or I need to dodge away from her attacks. This means that every 2, max 3, times I attack here I also proc bleed effect that deals massive damage. If I stick to spear I would be whittling her HP down for long minutes only to slip once on her Waterflow Dance to see her HP go back to full.

I'm not saying players do not need to adjust their strategies or learn bosses but it is very different situation when a single boss is so much easier with a specific weapon type and build.

Did you think of not being greedy and just taking the one hit with tree spear? Maybe trying to maximize the damage you do with that one hit like doing jumping heavies?
Also you clearly did not understand what I said with my post since you described the same thing, some bosses are easier for some builds more than others and it has always been like that.

[👌ActioN ツ]

Originally posted by Baron01:

Originally posted by Onnisaurus:

Thats how all the bosses are, they are easy for some builds are hard for others.

Absolutely not. I have killed everything before Malenia and after her, including final boss, with my Treespear as a quality melee build using incantation to buff myself and my weapon. Treespear is completely non-viable for Malenia or just makes the fight pointlessly more difficult compared to katana with a bleed.

I could push through all bosses with enough focus and learning the encounter with my existing build and weapons even if they were not optimal but Malenia just did not work. I could not hit her twice in a row with Treespear as he flinched on first hit but was able to dodge away my second hit or start one of her uninterruptible attacks, which punished me and healed her on top. I can easily hit her 3 times with Nakagiba (running poke + 2 slashes) before she can get out or I need to dodge away from her attacks. This means that every 2, max 3, times I attack here I also proc bleed effect that deals massive damage. If I stick to spear I would be whittling her HP down for long minutes only to slip once on her Waterflow Dance to see her HP go back to full.

I'm not saying players do not need to adjust their strategies or learn bosses but it is very different situation when a single boss is so much easier with a specific weapon type and build.

Actually every single boss is easier with a specific weapon type or build. And there are 3 different ways to not get single hit by the flurry attack.

[Soth]

Originally posted by Gondor50yen:

Its good boss, but her flying multistike attack should be nerf, ts unbalance

Once you learn that the real strategy to beat her is A.) not getting hit so she can't heal and B.) interrupt / stagger attacks can stop her from doing that 3 combo blade dance ♥♥♥♥, she's not that bad. Malenia is very much about her telegraphs, and dodging towards and out of her third round of blade dance combo before the final blast move.

And with everything in this game, tanking your build up and leveling makes everything so much easier, so you can survive some hits, and having maximum flasks is going to get you through a fight.

What level are you, and have you tried using summons / spirit ashes?

[Erudax]

Originally posted by ֍:

Once you learn that the real strategy to beat her is A.) not getting hit so she can't heal and B.) interrupt / stagger attacks can stop her from doing that 3 combo blade dance ♥♥♥♥, she's not that bad. Malenia is very much about her telegraphs, and dodging towards and out of her third round of blade dance combo before the final blast move.

And with everything in this game, tanking your build up and leveling makes everything so much easier, so you can survive some hits, and having maximum flasks is going to get you through a fight.

The only thing that actually stops her from waterfowl is a bleed/frostbite procc, otherwise it doesn't matter how much poise damage you deal in a single attack, it's uninterruptible.

Also at least for me, the only moment where the boss wasn't atrociously bad is when I learned the secret way of stunlocking her and skipping second phase consistently. Better blanket nerf Radahn's damage instead of doing something to waterfowl I guess, good one From, as usual.

[cardboard man]

She's really not that bad. You just have to be aggressive and control the fight. With all the posts about how hard she is i was expecting something ridiculous, even potentially impossible for my heavy claymore build.

But when i got to it a few days ago it only took 10-15 attempts. Waterfowl dance was not as bad as i expected. I could survive it even with sloppy dodging causing me to eat a few hits. Ended up stunlocking her in the second phase of the attempt i killed her and didn't have to deal with most of the second phase.

I guess if you have low vig or if your weapon is not upgraded enough it might be really hard idk.