Why do you get more dragon hearts than needed?

[Deykar]

I assume i got all dragon communion spells, but i still have left over dragon hearts? Its not like i could do anything with them.

[Amafrey]

Looks like the rest of the dragon spells are all breath attacks cast from one's self or above. Some use Rot, magma, magic, frost, and 'blue flames'. There is an additional one that roars, reducing target attack and defense

[Mander]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Netsa:

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*clipped for brevity*

I tried 60+ Faith, the rest in Mind and Vigor, and just spammed dragon communions with a Spirit out.

Basically, cast Mimic, cast Ekzyke's, cast Borealis's, and then just spam Catch Flame or whatever until the boss dies. A surprising number of bosses in this game, even some that do fire damage, aren't immune to fire. The only spells I would really avoid are Bloodflame, but even that's probably good if you built Bleed on your weapon and/or high Arcane.

Edit:
Oh, I liked Crucible Tail, too. It has a pretty high stagger value, so it's good for getting extra counters on bosses if they're distracted.

Same for ice: not even borealis, the ice dragon, is immune to ice.
Regarding your "Casting Mimic..." I agree on paper, but if you need a distraction to use dragon incantions because of their long animations, something is wrong still imo. Meanwhile, adula ice blade is faster and almost as damaging as borealis ice breath, but you can spam it, and it costs quite less.
Having bleed on your weapons is better than using bloodflame: the number of tic is higher (134 on a maxed weapon). I believe bloodflame stinks because of the splitted damage.

[Netsa]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Mander:

Same for ice: not even borealis, the ice dragon, is immune to ice.
Regarding your "Casting Mimic..." I agree on paper, but if you need a distraction to use dragon incantions because of their long animations, something is wrong still imo. Meanwhile, adula ice blade is faster and almost as damaging as borealis ice breath, but you can spam it, and it costs quite less.
Having bleed on your weapons is better than using bloodflame: the number of tic is higher (134 on a maxed weapon). I believe bloodflame stinks because of the splitted damage.

Probably, but I find playing any ranged character without a distraction is more trouble than its worth. Even sorcerers can't get off some of their longer/charged spells if the enemy is too aggressive. Since any distraction works, and you have the extra FP to cast, they seem to be meant to use some of the more expensive FP Ghost spirits.

The benefit of using Borealis over something like Moonblade is that Borealis is a very large AoE, and you can turn while casting it. It also hits multiple times, if you have the FP for it.

I think the benefit of using Bloodflame is supposed to be that the Bleed debuff won't degrade while they're still on fire, so it makes up the difference that way. You can hit the enemy less times and still get the bleed off. I'm just not sure how to actually get the most out of it, and I can't be bothered to try since it's not that fun to use.

[Mander]

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Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Mander:

Same for ice: not even borealis, the ice dragon, is immune to ice.
Regarding your "Casting Mimic..." I agree on paper, but if you need a distraction to use dragon incantions because of their long animations, something is wrong still imo. Meanwhile, adula ice blade is faster and almost as damaging as borealis ice breath, but you can spam it, and it costs quite less.
Having bleed on your weapons is better than using bloodflame: the number of tic is higher (134 on a maxed weapon). I believe bloodflame stinks because of the splitted damage.

Probably, but I find playing any ranged character without a distraction is more trouble than its worth. Even sorcerers can't get off some of their longer/charged spells if the enemy is too aggressive. Since any distraction works, and you have the extra FP to cast, they seem to be meant to use some of the more expensive FP Ghost spirits.

The benefit of using Borealis over something like Moonblade is that Borealis is a very large AoE, and you can turn while casting it. It also hits multiple times, if you have the FP for it.

I think the benefit of using Bloodflame is supposed to be that the Bleed debuff won't degrade while they're still on fire, so it makes up the difference that way. You can hit the enemy less times and still get the bleed off. I'm just not sure how to actually get the most out of it, and I can't be bothered to try since it's not that fun to use.

Actually, what I wanted to say was that bloodflame should be buffed: sorry if I wasn't clear. Using bloodflame to proc bleeding is less efficent than putting a blood infusion on your weapon atm. Meanwhile, blood swarm is the best too for the job: cheap, you can move while casting it, and spammable.

And regarding the ranged char... sadly not always you can count on spirit ashes (deathrite birds...): adula ice blade has also a nice ice wave to hit in mid range.
You know what it would be nice? Adding the force push to every dragon breath attack on activation: at least, this way, the longer animation cast would be less punishable.

[Netsa]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Mander:

Actually, what I wanted to say was that bloodflame should be buffed: sorry if I wasn't clear. Using bloodflame to proc bleeding is less efficent than putting a blood infusion on your weapon atm. Meanwhile, blood swarm is the best too for the job: cheap, you can move while casting it, and spammable.

And regarding the ranged char... sadly not always you can count on spirit ashes (deathrite birds...): adula ice blade has also a nice ice wave to hit in mid range.
You know what it would be nice? Adding the force push to every dragon breath attack on activation: at least, this way, the longer animation cast would be less punishable.

Oh I agree, it should be buffed. I just think you're downplaying its efficiency a bit. Putting a grease/spell buff on a weapon lets it keep its base scaling, so the overall damage is probably worth it if you're not leveling Arcane. Unless by "blood infusion" you meant blood grease? Then yeah, it is probably way better than using Bloodflame. The wiki implies that Bloodflame only scales with spell buff, so maybe it shines at the highest values or something.

Or, yeah, just cast one of the other bleed spells and forget about it. Like I said, I never touch Bloodflame.

The dragon breaths have way longer range than Adula's ice blade. If you can actually get through the animation, it's basically just superior (sans the crazy FP cost). Speaking of range, I'm surprised you waved off Black Blade in your previous post. The range on that spell is also pretty ridiculous, piercing, and the damage is more than respectable even without a seal-specific buff.

As for fights where you can't use Spirits, you're right, all of those spells are practically useless. I wouldn't trust a Force Push, either, frankly. Fortunately, Catch These Hands (my name for basic Catch Flame) is possibly one of the most powerful Faith spells in the game if you're good at melee. For everything else, there's Mastercard Discus, Bestial Sling, or whatever else comes out fast enough to not be a liability.

[Arlen]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Burgzaza:

i have 15 dragon's hearths in my inventory, and the dragon communion island only keeps selling me the same 3 spells : fire, claw and maw... i come back each times the game tells me there are new powers unlocked after i defeat a dragon, but apparently that's not there.

there is another church in caelid. has more then 3 spells.

[Codester]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από The Chosen One:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Deykar:

I got all the spells get mentioned on the internet.

obviously not, It's being mentioned here that there are just enough.

If you get your info from the wiki, just know it's edited by fans and it's not to be fully trusted yet, game's only been out a month and nobody knows all the intricacies of the game yet, let alone a fan who edits wiki pages.

On the same note tho, I'm not saying trust the guy who says there's the right amount of hearts for incantations. But that is the internet telling you something different from something else on the internet.

Some of the info on the wiki is laughable, like someone wanted to edit in what they found to be true but not delete someone elses' comment so there's a lot of mis-info on there.

You can be fairly certain that checking the dark souls 1 wiki (or any other guide resource) will be accurate at this point, but Elden ring is too new and the peeps that edit it are just gamers same as you adding what they find out, they don't have any definitive knowledge the way guides used to be written.

lol no. You get more than needed. I have every single spell and have a handful of them left. Just like how I maxed my flask and have 6 extra golden seeds that can't be used.

[Puppet]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Deadeye64:

You're missing some spells somewhere. They give you just enough dragon hearts to grab 1 of every dragon spell.

This is incorrect. If you obtain every dragon heart, and purchase every Dragon Communion incantation, you will have 3 dragon hearts left over.

[LuckyCheshire]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Puppet:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Deadeye64:

You're missing some spells somewhere. They give you just enough dragon hearts to grab 1 of every dragon spell.

This is incorrect. If you obtain every dragon heart, and purchase every Dragon Communion incantation, you will have 3 dragon hearts left over.

Dude, did you check the date on this thread? It's been dead for years.

[Norm Macdonald's Ghost]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από LuckyCheshire777:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Puppet:

This is incorrect. If you obtain every dragon heart, and purchase every Dragon Communion incantation, you will have 3 dragon hearts left over.

Dude, did you check the date on this thread? It's been dead for years.

Sometimes you have to call upon the darkest magic and resurrect a thread just to set the record straight.

Filthy necromancers.

[echo_ML]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Puppet:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Deadeye64:

You're missing some spells somewhere. They give you just enough dragon hearts to grab 1 of every dragon spell.

This is incorrect. If you obtain every dragon heart, and purchase every Dragon Communion incantation, you will have 3 dragon hearts left over.

Bro really said "Today we answer the age old question"

[Yal]

Fun fact: reviving old discussions does not, in fact, increase the power of Rosus' Summons.

[TommyEV]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Puppet:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Deadeye64:

You're missing some spells somewhere. They give you just enough dragon hearts to grab 1 of every dragon spell.

This is incorrect. If you obtain every dragon heart, and purchase every Dragon Communion incantation, you will have 3 dragon hearts left over.

The best part about the unnecessary necro is that the answer was already in the thread. Thanks I guess

[Netsa]

Ya'll all need to Catch These Hands.

[mpcgannon]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από TommyEV:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Puppet:

This is incorrect. If you obtain every dragon heart, and purchase every Dragon Communion incantation, you will have 3 dragon hearts left over.

The best part about the unnecessary necro is that the answer was already in the thread. Thanks I guess

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