I am Malenia Blade of Miquella...

[PaceyLionheart]

So she is super narcistic and tells her name to literally every corpse she encounters and her only big abilities are spreading literal illness and a sword which regenerates her health even if she does not cause any damage (source? try a 100% phys block shield and she still regenerates). She has never known defeat... I wonder why that is? Honestly she is a shame to any valkyrie. If Radahn would've just taken her sword she would be a little girl with a lotus flower growing out of her arse.

[Nephi]

Originally posted by Kyutaru:

Originally posted by Taramafor:

A tie isn't a loss. So if she's never known defeat but keeps fighting regardless then she is being accurate.

She was unconscious and missing three limbs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UijhbHvxWrA

She was already missing those limbs before the fight. (We have both pictures in the intro and an animated version in one of the trailers that should make it obvious that she already had her prostetics back then)

Also being unconscious is better than being pretty much a zombie that eats his own troops.

[mewlynx]

Originally posted by Ashtrails:

Originally posted by baelynx:

I'm not expecting every character to be wholesome good guys. not liking malenia isn't a criticism, I think the lore of it is cool, but her actions within the context of the lore still paint her as a bit of a loser imo with her "never known defeat" rhetoric. this isn't a super deep analysis, it's just my impression of her based on what I know, and in a way I'm glad she is the way she is. she's obviously supposed to be catering towards the lady Maria/Friede archetype, i think the lore and dialogue differentiate her quite a lot from her predecesors, which is a good thing.

Oh, yeh, absolutely.
I think every demigod has their own degree of 'Pathetic Loser', except maybe Radahn, because he is more of a tragic hero and is characterized with a lot of traits that make him sympathetic: he loves his horse, takes care of his men, has a degree of honor, is a renowned general, wants a good warrior's death (though pride and thinking he had the luxury of honor bit him in the ass).

yep. the flaws make the characters interesting. I don't like malenia's actions, but I don't have to. it makes for an interesting character with a distinct personality and good lore, so in that sense I think she is written well.

[MrSoul]

Originally posted by Ashtrails:

Originally posted by baelynx:

I'm not expecting every character to be wholesome good guys. not liking malenia isn't a criticism, I think the lore of it is cool, but her actions within the context of the lore still paint her as a bit of a loser imo with her "never known defeat" rhetoric. this isn't a super deep analysis, it's just my impression of her based on what I know, and in a way I'm glad she is the way she is. she's obviously supposed to be catering towards the lady Maria/Friede archetype, i think the lore and dialogue differentiate her quite a lot from her predecesors, which is a good thing.

Oh, yeh, absolutely.
I think every demigod has their own degree of 'Pathetic Loser', except maybe Radahn, because he is more of a tragic hero and is characterized with a lot of traits that make him sympathetic: he loves his horse, takes care of his men, has a degree of honor, is a renowned general, wants a good warrior's death (though pride and thinking he had the luxury of honor bit him in the ass).

Loves his men…except when he’s eating them xD did watch his cinematic? Dude is wacko by time the player fights him and has been for eons

[Ashtrails]

Originally posted by Sisko:

Loves his men…except when he’s eating them xD did watch his cinematic? Dude is wacko by time the player fights him and has been for eons

Jerren (I think? Or was it Ranni?) tells you he crawls the wastelands littered with corpses to spare his living troops from his degeneracy.

Also, you can be sympathetic to the man he WAS, instead of the monster he is now.

[Crowley42]

Yeah but at the end of the day her dead brother is getting eternally --- by Mohg so she got what she deserved.

[Old Man Gamer (OMG)]

Malenia is a perfect example of pride before the fall. She knew no self control, and did whatever she could to get what she wanted. Even then, she still failed. The best she could, was take others down with her. Radahn, on the other hand, stood for what he believed in, and was strong enough to not do the same. In retrospect, it almost seems that Radahn should be the difficulty that Malenia is, and Malenia should be where Radahn is.

[Goodkat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5cM-BRtJZo

[Dollmaker]

Originally posted by Old Man Gamer (OMG):

Malenia is a perfect example of pride before the fall. She knew no self control, and did whatever she could to get what she wanted. Even then, she still failed. The best she could, was take others down with her. Radahn, on the other hand, stood for what he believed in, and was strong enough to not do the same. In retrospect, it almost seems that Radahn should be the difficulty that Malenia is, and Malenia should be where Radahn is.

Not easy when you are born cursed and have to eternally fight the rot thats consuming both your body and mind...

[Kyutaru]

Originally posted by Old Man Gamer (OMG):

Malenia is a perfect example of pride before the fall. She knew no self control, and did whatever she could to get what she wanted. Even then, she still failed. The best she could, was take others down with her. Radahn, on the other hand, stood for what he believed in, and was strong enough to not do the same. In retrospect, it almost seems that Radahn should be the difficulty that Malenia is, and Malenia should be where Radahn is.

The moral of the story is that pride makes a man weak. Honor gives no one strength. Deception and dishonorable war atrocities are the way. War doesn't care who is right, only who is left.

[Dailao]

Originally posted by PaceyLionheart:

a sword which regenerates her health even if she does not cause any damage (source? try a 100% phys block shield and she still regenerates).

Yeah that part just doesn't make sense at all and they should fix it.
You can't drain life from an iron plate.

[Crowley42]

Originally posted by Dailao:

Originally posted by PaceyLionheart:

a sword which regenerates her health even if she does not cause any damage (source? try a 100% phys block shield and she still regenerates).

Yeah that part just doesn't make sense at all and they should fix it.
You can't drain life from an iron plate.

She actually regenerates life from your annoyment. It's a self fulfilling prophecy

[Deadeye64]

Originally posted by Dollmaker:

This is annoying honestly, the game blatantly tells you it was a standstill, nobody won, the two couldnt kill the other, simple has that.

And again, rot is her power and curse, she can use it as much as she wants, just like Radahn with his gravity.

I think she's being technical when she says she's never known defeat. Her fight with Radahn was a standstill, she neither lost nor won, so shes technically right when she says she hasn't known defeat.

[Ashtrails]

Originally posted by Deadeye64:

I think she's being technical when she says she's never known defeat. Her fight with Radahn was a standstill, she neither lost nor won, so shes technically right when she says she hasn't known defeat.

It sounds really petty, but maybe she _needs_ to be technically correct (the best kind of correct)

Taken from Millicent's quest:
There is something I must return to Malenia. The will that was once her own. The dignity, the sense of self that allowed her to resist the call of the Scarlet Rot. The Pride she abandoned to meet Radahn's measure.

She needs to remind herself who she is and what defines her to cling to the remnants of her identity.
Just a thought : D

[Kyutaru]

Originally posted by Ashtrails:

Originally posted by Deadeye64:

I think she's being technical when she says she's never known defeat. Her fight with Radahn was a standstill, she neither lost nor won, so shes technically right when she says she hasn't known defeat.

It sounds really petty, but maybe she _needs_ to be technically correct (the best kind of correct)

Taken from Millicent's quest:
There is something I must return to Malenia. The will that was once her own. The dignity, the sense of self that allowed her to resist the call of the Scarlet Rot. The Pride she abandoned to meet Radahn's measure.

She needs to remind herself who she is and what defines her to cling to the remnants of her identity.
Just a thought : D

Also sounds like she lost herself and resorted to something she's not proud of because she couldn't win with just skills. Like she just wanted to beat him so bad she didn't care about cheating anymore.

Malenia = Cheese is good
Radahn = No cheese, git gud

[Dollmaker]

Originally posted by Kyutaru:

Originally posted by Ashtrails:

It sounds really petty, but maybe she _needs_ to be technically correct (the best kind of correct)

Taken from Millicent's quest:
There is something I must return to Malenia. The will that was once her own. The dignity, the sense of self that allowed her to resist the call of the Scarlet Rot. The Pride she abandoned to meet Radahn's measure.

She needs to remind herself who she is and what defines her to cling to the remnants of her identity.
Just a thought : D

Also sounds like she lost herself and resorted to something she's not proud of because she couldn't win with just skills. Like she just wanted to beat him so bad she didn't care about cheating anymore.

Malenia = Cheese is good
Radahn = No cheese, git gud

It isnt cheating mate, thats simply her power, but she didnt wanted to use it cause it would essentially ruin her, if anything she was handicapping herself.

Which is saying a lot for someone that already had a lot of handicaps, such has being in constant pain from the rot, and fighting it to not lose her mind, or even being blind.