Post Patch Malenia is broken.

[shiftygemini]

Self healing buffed 50%, what used to cost me 3 mana pots to kill her is now draining me 6 mana pots and i am out of FP before I can kill her - and thats without getting hit.

She now continuously heals over time without getting hit (like she has a dew talisman or something)

The reduced damage she now takes from both melee and magic is way too much compared to pre patch

Before the haters start yapping - idc about your nexus mod youtubers cheat coding perfect parry, enhanced dodge, and reduced stam/FP cost and making a "No hit, no dodge, parry skill blah blah" video.

[RazzaQ]

Originalmente postado por shiftygemini:

Self healing buffed 50%, what used to cost me 3 mana pots to kill her is now draining me 6 mana pots and i am out of FP before I can kill her - and thats without getting hit.

She now continuously heals over time without getting hit (like she has a dew talisman or something)

The reduced damage she now takes from both melee and magic is way too much compared to pre patch

Before the haters start yapping - idc about your nexus mod youtubers cheat coding perfect parry, enhanced dodge, and reduced stam/FP cost and making a "No hit, no dodge, parry skill blah blah" video.

Are you a real person ? or just a dumb bot?

Seriously i did Malenia after my 3rd try, melee !! which is harder than casters.

You just need to pay attention to her attack PATTERNS and it's doable.

Also she does not heal herself overtime or has talismans lmao..
She steals your life everytime she hits you. SO dont get hit.

[Wushiba]

Originalmente postado por shiftygemini:

Originalmente postado por WHYYYY:

OP actually has criticism and instantly knee-jerk reaction of "well you just need to play better I had no problem *honk* *honk*" even though hes already beaten her. The absolute state of you nerds.

I beat her yesterday, when was this change? I didn't notice her having auto regen health. Unless you are talking about the heal on hit which I don't believe you are since you mentioned Dew Talisman. Was it listed somewhere?

It doesn't matter, with the changes i switched to the dev's new declared "you must play" build of River of Blood with high Dex/Arc and easily beat her. Its just depressing and sad that they buffed her so much (compared to pre patch) so much so that other builds are no longer viable.

Daggers is completely out, she out heals the attacks. Even with bloodloss on the daggers (if you're using a summons).

Bows now do even worse damage and they seemed to have moderately increased the amount of arrows it takes to inflict status effects (used to be 6 arrows for bloodloss/frost/poison/sleep) which now take 12 arrows AND all of those arrows have to land perfectly in concession for the buildup to proc.

Magic damage appears to have been greatly nerfed on damage to Malenia in comparison to pre patch. I even went back and compared my previous run videos to my current ones to see the damage. It looks like a 30% across the board damage nerf. Couple that with her constant healing now, and the increased heal per hit and unless you solo Malenia and not get hit once, phase 2 you will run out of FP pots (i was using 5 before, bumped it up to 8 w/ the 0 FP cost physick buff - still ran out)

Moonveil stagger strategy no longer works. They nerfed the stagger effect from ranged hits to only direct hits and weakened the poise damage so what used to be 3 hits is now 5 hits IF you can stay up on her and get all 5 off without getting hit once. However (can you guess?) She now takes less crit strike damage than before. Comparing it to pre patch looks like 20% reduction (although i might be off, it might be 15%) but if she heals herself 7% damage per hit (and triple that on a thrust or combo) then you've wasted half a FP bar and a ton of risk to do damage she can heal in 2 hits on your summon (or you). Crit hits used to floor her.

I did 2h Greatsword again for the jump heavy attack to stagger and crit, but the damage isn't there anymore. If you can cheese it like what was mentioned above - using high level with 2x Radahn's special weapon great swords, the 1st phase is easy and the 2nd phase is possible.

Rivers of Blood is now the new meta - I beat Malenia within 4 minutes. 50 Arc / 50 Dex - I was doing so much more damage with blood after this patch it only takes 4 special attack combos to obliterate phase 1. Phase 2 is the same way, you just have to be patient and pick the time to activate combo and be ready to bloodhound step if you see any animation of her going up (water fowl slash) into her "i win button" move. Those can be J hooked easily in phase 1, but i've had less success in phase 2 unless i'm standing there waiting for it.

It just saddens me that they want to make a boss so buffed and difficult that you're pigeon holed into 3 specific build metas to even have a chance. Even then you have to (usually) wait for a good dice roll on the boss moves in order to win. This means most players have zero chance with their preferred build, even if its a good build. Its just not the "correct build" the devs have dictated they must use for this boss. Melania is the only boss i've encountered like this. All other bosses in the game i've had a lot of fun fighting each time with a new different build. Not so with Malenia.

Literally every build is viable as long as you don't get hit. Obviously some builds make certain fights easier and some fights are harder with those exact same builds. This isn't like this only in Fromsoft games though, this is true for literally every game where you have control over your own character's progression. You control the difficulty.

[Thalios]

Originalmente postado por shiftygemini:

Before the haters start yapping - idc about your nexus mod youtubers cheat coding perfect parry, enhanced dodge, and reduced stam/FP cost and making a "No hit, no dodge, parry skill blah blah" video.

For someone claiming he's doing Malenia without getting hit, you sure are quick at calling others cheaters for not being hit.

[Humpenstilzchen]

Oh well, that´s disappointing to hear. So they made an op boss even more op. Nice

[ukalex08]

Originalmente postado por RazzaQ:

Originalmente postado por shiftygemini:

Self healing buffed 50%, what used to cost me 3 mana pots to kill her is now draining me 6 mana pots and i am out of FP before I can kill her - and thats without getting hit.

She now continuously heals over time without getting hit (like she has a dew talisman or something)

The reduced damage she now takes from both melee and magic is way too much compared to pre patch

Before the haters start yapping - idc about your nexus mod youtubers cheat coding perfect parry, enhanced dodge, and reduced stam/FP cost and making a "No hit, no dodge, parry skill blah blah" video.

Are you a real person ? or just a dumb bot?

Seriously i did Malenia after my 3rd try, melee !! which is harder than casters.

You just need to pay attention to her attack PATTERNS and it's doable.

Also she does not heal herself overtime or has talismans lmao..
She steals your life everytime she hits you. SO dont get hit.

Good lord. Read his comments.

[Raptor85]

people keep claiming she's undodgable, maybe if you're in mid or fat roll, her "anime" move is pretty easy to dodge in light armor with fast roll, which keeps her from vamping up like blocking would allow her to do. You can pretty much just keep attacking and staggering her (pretty much any weapon staggers her easily), then dodging that move, and going back to the stunlock for an easy first phase.

[Pharis Gough]

Originalmente postado por Nerevar:

just in case people dont know this yet : hitting malenia with the weaponart of the winged sycthe disables her ability to heal from dealing dmg.

Hell yeah, faith build numbah 1!!!!

[Dionysus]

just summon a strong/tanky spirit and stone her to death then beam her in second phase
also level up more

[Pharis Gough]

So fromsoft saw a boss most people see as a brick wall and buffed the hell out of it, but radanh, a boss that was pretty alright in difficulty gets nerfed into the ground. The hell, Melania was already a meat grinder of a boss lol.

Also as a side note, Melania already had pretty beefy magic defense before the buff. When I fought her on my int character, I needed summons due to not having enough fp with 7 fp flasks and being level 140 at the time. My faith/int build faired a lot better due to ancient death rancor doing high poise damage.

Also her damage was already incredibly high with a couple glancing blows even managing to take my Guts build with 60 vigor from full health to near death while also having 30% physical resistance to boot.

[Bauntee]

So glad I have all the achievements already that I can quietly peace out from the game

[Project KV-31]

Rebirth character for Rivers of Blood build :)

[Anewbous]

Video evidence or fake

[shiftygemini]

Originalmente postado por Stygian Ikazuchi:

Originalmente postado por shiftygemini:

Daggers is completely out, she out heals the attacks. Even with bloodloss on the daggers (if you're using a summons).

have you tried Black Knife's ability? It decreases max health.

Actually, I was attempting this with Black Knife as my primary, as that is the weapon I used the 1st time i beat her pre patch. What I noticed now is that when you get her with Black Knife, she starts regening health like crazy! I even brought out Tiche which also used Black Knife (and man handles Malenia) when I got frustrated - having 2 people spamming Black Knife just made her regen health 2x faster. I am assuming this is a bug, because that didn't happen the first time I beat her. When I say regen, i mean like 50+ HP per tick while not hitting me or Tiche for the self heal from attacks.

[shiftygemini]

Originalmente postado por KV31:

Rebirth character for Rivers of Blood build :)

Yeah I tried Rivers of Blood with 50 arcane and 50 dex after the patch. I wouldn't call it anything but cheesing the fight (imo) because you kill her in phase 1 in like 30 sec (2 rotations of special attack) and in 60 seconds during phase 2 (only because if you get her under 50% health immediately she water fowl slashes, so you have to dodge it and wait to kill her with your next rotation).

[Zach]

literally beat her in ng+3 with a mimic in 1:30 no damage. sounds like you're lacking skill.