Is light equipment load it worth it?

[Tiny serpent Shnissuvihr]

Kind of having a hard time telling what it actually does

[SadPlatty©]

Shifty Thief の投稿を引用：

baelynx の投稿を引用：

your roll covers considerably more distance, which is actually very useful. it makes disengaging from an enemy doing a combo much easier and just allows a greater degree of mobility in general. it's why bloodhound step is so popular, it's all the benefits of a fast roll and more at the press of a button

does it? I really can't tell, fextra says it's the exact same, tried it and can't really tell the difference myself, the animation has changed but nothing about it other than that feels any different.

IDK about distance (maybe a small adjustment but not like a foot), but it should definitely add more i-frames. It may be a bit "faster" animated also (AKA you get like a split second faster to re-roll or attack) - so for example you rolling and a medium wait guy rolling with an attack at the end - you may finish as he is mid swing.

Otherwise, just i-frames and stamina improvements for running/falling (or maybe falling was just Dark Souls? it came into play at one point and may have just been a DS2 thing or something); but like, you hear the whole "can't beat the boss? try it naked" in Souls games and I always figured it was just to say "you know you are gunna die, might as well practice rolling while you do it" since you barely hit the ground vs medium you roll seemingly like a normal person vs heavy where you basically back flop and get up lol.

[DRunkCoWBoy]

its not more i-frames its just farther. I can fat roll anything but yeah its nice to be able to back up really quickly sometimes. Play with fat roll for a day or so then go back to medium roll and i twill feel so good. Then go back to fat roll because i dont really care for weight management.

[Tiny serpent Shnissuvihr]

DRunkCoWBoy の投稿を引用：

its not more i-frames its just farther. I can fat roll anything but yeah its nice to be able to back up really quickly sometimes. Play with fat roll for a day or so then go back to medium roll and i twill feel so good. Then go back to fat roll because i dont really care for weight management.

bro, what? do you guys really care so little about it that you don't even know there's supposed to be 3 types of roll? I'm talking about light rolling when under 30%, not fatrolling or medium rolls.

[DRunkCoWBoy]

Shifty Thief の投稿を引用：

DRunkCoWBoy の投稿を引用：

its not more i-frames its just farther. I can fat roll anything but yeah its nice to be able to back up really quickly sometimes. Play with fat roll for a day or so then go back to medium roll and i twill feel so good. Then go back to fat roll because i dont really care for weight management.

bro, what? do you guys really care so little about it that you don't even know there's supposed to be 3 types of roll? I'm talking about light rolling when under 30%, not fatrolling or medium rolls.

yeah 500 hours in elden ring and DS3 and i have no idea theres 3 types of rolls. Thats literally what i said man, im telling you that the only difference between the rolls is distance. No you dont run faster, no you dont use less stamina on swings, no you dont get more i-frames. Its simply the fact that you are able to roll further away with a light roll compared to a medium roll compared to a fat roll. Im telling you use the fat roll for a day and then go back to a lighter roll, you will appreciate that extra roll distance.

[Funpire]

Not really. Being able to take that initial hit from a mob or invader really destroys the trade off of extra iframe roles. Light weight iframes should be buffed to give more incentive. Roll meta is not strong enough.

[Ronin Gamer]

Light load sacrifices extra defense for more invincible frames on your roll so it's harder to get caught rolling and take damage. The heavier your load, the weaker your invincible frames so it's easier to get caught, but you have better defense to take it with.
It's a trade off either way, you just have to decide which one works better for you.

[SadPlatty©]

DRunkCoWBoy の投稿を引用：

Shifty Thief の投稿を引用：

bro, what? do you guys really care so little about it that you don't even know there's supposed to be 3 types of roll? I'm talking about light rolling when under 30%, not fatrolling or medium rolls.

yeah 500 hours in elden ring and DS3 and i have no idea theres 3 types of rolls. Thats literally what i said man, im telling you that the only difference between the rolls is distance. No you dont run faster, no you dont use less stamina on swings, no you dont get more i-frames. Its simply the fact that you are able to roll further away with a light roll compared to a medium roll compared to a fat roll. Im telling you use the fat roll for a day and then go back to a lighter roll, you will appreciate that extra roll distance.

Well then - you may want to update the wiki since it says the higher your encumbrance across the 4 (not 3) levels of rolls: https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Equip+Load
it currently goes to say that you get less I frames each tier you hop up (with testing for under 30% in progress)

And yes it has been like this forever - I would pay $5 to watch someone fat roll through Nameless King boss fight.

[Ronin Gamer]

SadPlatty© の投稿を引用：

DRunkCoWBoy の投稿を引用：

yeah 500 hours in elden ring and DS3 and i have no idea theres 3 types of rolls. Thats literally what i said man, im telling you that the only difference between the rolls is distance. No you dont run faster, no you dont use less stamina on swings, no you dont get more i-frames. Its simply the fact that you are able to roll further away with a light roll compared to a medium roll compared to a fat roll. Im telling you use the fat roll for a day and then go back to a lighter roll, you will appreciate that extra roll distance.

Well then - you may want to update the wiki since it says the higher your encumbrance across the 4 (not 3) levels of rolls: https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Equip+Load

If anything - it currently goes to say that you get less I frames each tier you hop up (with testing for under 30% in progress)

Look if he wants to believe incorrect information then let him. Not worth your time to correct him.

[0wnz0r]

honestly man, load up on the heaviest, highest poise armor u got then use quickstep ash of war to get around.

[DRunkCoWBoy]

yeah that is not true, you do not get extra I-frames. Can you not see how the animations for all the rolls last the same amount of time? The fat roll looks so weird because it has to be the same length as the other animations, thats why it looks soooooooo slow like time just slowed down in his fat roll because it doesent go as far as the others lol. The wiki has been so wrong on so many things about this game and its been missing so much stuff up until now. But use whatever roll suits you man, if the light roll feels good and you feel it makes your more effective go for it. The fact that you can jump now really elimnates about half your need for rolls anyways, if you havent realized that by now. The game done changed.

[DRunkCoWBoy]

ok now that i look at it that stamina regen penalty on heavy load is probably true, that would make sense seeing as how i was wondering about that. But the i-frames are still the same, i fat roll through bosses just the same as i medium or light roll through them. its only distance thats affected.

[Cooperal]

It's up to you if you think the better dodging will result in better health preservation than slightly worse dodges with better defences.

You also got to account for the fact that rolling will not suffice for some attacks no matter what your equip load. And getting slapped around so hard that you die with no heals used sucks.

[Jinga]

Shifty Thief の投稿を引用：

Kind of having a hard time telling what it actually does

check the explanation option on each stat. Light armor reduces weight allowing quicker movement. Also varies with differ piece but some give boost to skill stats and immunities. Heavier armor gives more poise, allowing you take more stamina hits. Just get endurance up enough to have a medium load.

[Forblaze]

I'm also struggling to see the difference between fast roll and medium roll, both in terms of distance and iframes. If anyone can give some solid proof i'd love to see it, but i'm closing in on 200 hours and have started just assuming they're the exact same.

It's also really hard to stay at a light enough load for fast roll.

[Tiny serpent Shnissuvihr]

SadPlatty© の投稿を引用：

DRunkCoWBoy の投稿を引用：

yeah 500 hours in elden ring and DS3 and i have no idea theres 3 types of rolls. Thats literally what i said man, im telling you that the only difference between the rolls is distance. No you dont run faster, no you dont use less stamina on swings, no you dont get more i-frames. Its simply the fact that you are able to roll further away with a light roll compared to a medium roll compared to a fat roll. Im telling you use the fat roll for a day and then go back to a lighter roll, you will appreciate that extra roll distance.

Well then - you may want to update the wiki since it says the higher your encumbrance across the 4 (not 3) levels of rolls: https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Equip+Load
it currently goes to say that you get less I frames each tier you hop up (with testing for under 30% in progress)

And yes it has been like this forever - I would pay $5 to watch someone fat roll through Nameless King boss fight.

You can't count overencumbered as a "roll" though, it's just a stagger animation

0wnz0r の投稿を引用：

honestly man, load up on the heaviest, highest poise armor u got then use quickstep ash of war to get around.

Probably just going to do that, didn't really pay much attention to it until recently that I got the great jar arsenal and started experimenting with weight, but so far going light seems to be just a big waste of absorption and poise to gain a near imperceptible advantage.

Sadly I don't have anything like the lloyd's talisman or anything else that could benefit out of low equipment load, I just kind of expected it to do something by itself, guess that's not the case.