Why are ash summons so bad?

[Sinjin The Monke]

They are the most inconsistent thing ive ever seen in a game in my entire life.

Theres no rhyme or reason why i can't use my ash summons to get dogs or archers to help me out in some fights.

Someone told me its only bosses, but half the time that doesn't work anyway.
another told me it was if i was a in a area with active summons but A: What makes an area a summoned area? and B: I've been able to use the ash summons in spots where the summon sign isn't availble.

Then i get into a fight where i can summon them, die and then try the fight again only to find that they aren't avalable now.

What am i missing? what are the steps i somehow randomly have followed on sheer accident to make them able to be used?

I just want a straight answer on why these things never work.

Yes i have enough FP
Yes the meter is full

[phatsolew]

ok this is farm

[Sinjin The Monke]

Originally posted by kyona:

ok this is farm

That doesn't help

[Maelos]

The locations where ash summons are available have this little grey icon on the middle left side of the screen. What decides if a zone has that icon or not? The devs, and they don't seem to have gone for 100% consistency.

Edit: the icon is the most visible indication, but it's simply tied to the small obelisks you can sometimes see. They're called Rebirth Monuments and when there's one near, you can summon.

[Sinjin The Monke]

Originally posted by Maelos:

The locations where ash summons are available have this little grey icon on the middle left side of the screen. What decides if a zone has that icon or not? The devs, and they don't seem to have gone for 100% consistency.

So it is just a trash mechanic. Fun.
They don't have to have a *good* reason for why i can't use them but i would very much like a notice saying they can't be used. Something that stays onscreen or gives me a audio cue.

Something other than *fight starts, switch to summon* "oh joy not useable."

[patrol]

Originally posted by Sinjin The Monke:

Originally posted by Maelos:

The locations where ash summons are available have this little grey icon on the middle left side of the screen. What decides if a zone has that icon or not? The devs, and they don't seem to have gone for 100% consistency.

So it is just a trash mechanic. Fun.
They don't have to have a *good* reason for why i can't use them but i would very much like a notice saying they can't be used. Something that stays onscreen or gives me a audio cue.

Something other than *fight starts, switch to summon* "oh joy not useable."

The only summon i consider good is the mimic, since it's basically you but tanky af

[Savager]

The best summons even after patch is Mimic Tear and Black Knife Tiche. Mimic is a good tank and Tiche has attack that causes blood loss alot. I was struggling againts last boss with player summons but once I gave up on getting help from actual players I tried to summon Tiche and I killed the last boss in like 3-4 tries.

[Vintorez]

There is a blue arch symbol on the left of your screen when you are able to summon. I think there's a physical object in the world that denotes it but that's the mechanic, no symbol, no ash summons.

The summons also use the exact same AI as their living counterparts, including aggressiveness. Wolves for example aren't all too aggressive and spend a lot of time circling their opponent, their ash summons are no different.

[weiss]

ever was thinking about upgrading your summons to atleast +6 or +7? do you even have the spirit upgrade girl unlocked yet? if not is it about time that you do that

[DDDHunter]

Originally posted by Sinjin The Monke:

They are the most inconsistent thing ive ever seen in a game in my entire life.

Theres no rhyme or reason why i can't use my ash summons to get dogs or archers to help me out in some fights.

Someone told me its only bosses, but half the time that doesn't work anyway.
another told me it was if i was a in a area with active summons but A: What makes an area a summoned area? and B: I've been able to use the ash summons in spots where the summon sign isn't availble.

Then i get into a fight where i can summon them, die and then try the fight again only to find that they aren't avalable now.

What am i missing? what are the steps i somehow randomly have followed on sheer accident to make them able to be used?

I just want a straight answer on why these things never work.

Yes i have enough FP
Yes the meter is full
No the summons still are being shy ♥♥♥♥♥ for no reason during most of my fights.

Ash summons are only usable for the fights that the devs have design with them in mind. I don't know what you are talking about with the summons being available after death, that is impossible. You are definitely not summoning in the same location. Also, don't ever expect the mimic to complete fights for you. The only reason you should be summoning them and why they are completely overpower is that they take away aggro. You have more opportunities to heal and deal free damage that otherwise.

[Maelos]

Originally posted by Sinjin The Monke:

Originally posted by Maelos:

The locations where ash summons are available have this little grey icon on the middle left side of the screen. What decides if a zone has that icon or not? The devs, and they don't seem to have gone for 100% consistency.

So it is just a trash mechanic. Fun.
They don't have to have a *good* reason for why i can't use them but i would very much like a notice saying they can't be used. Something that stays onscreen or gives me a audio cue.

Something other than *fight starts, switch to summon* "oh joy not useable."

Well, outside of bosses you shouldn't really need summons. If you do need summons with normal roaming enemies, you might just be in a part of the map you shouldn't really be in at your level/with your equipment.

Boss rooms often have summons enabled, I'd say maybe 90% of the time. You can sometimes lose some time with switching to summons and seeing that they don't work, but it shouldn't be a big issue most of the time.

[Dagný]

Originally posted by Sinjin The Monke:

Originally posted by Maelos:

The locations where ash summons are available have this little grey icon on the middle left side of the screen. What decides if a zone has that icon or not? The devs, and they don't seem to have gone for 100% consistency.

So it is just a trash mechanic. Fun.
They don't have to have a *good* reason for why i can't use them but i would very much like a notice saying they can't be used. Something that stays onscreen or gives me a audio cue.

Something other than *fight starts, switch to summon* "oh joy not useable."

If you can't see the grey icon you can't use them

[koimeiji]

Those spikes that people wish they had a giant, but hole for?

Those are what designates an area as a summon zone.

This is primarily and most consistently boss rooms and ruined villages, though sometimes they're in other locations (usually for a world boss encounter but not always)

You can always tell if you're in a summon zone by the purple-white arch on the left side of your screen.

[SoloQ]

Summons are far from useless or weak. I wouldn't even be able to get past some boss fights without them. Even the 2 or 3 seconds the boss is on them is enough time to get off a potion you wouldn't have without them.

The rats though, they're pretty useless. Even with 5 of them they don't accomplish much, but they're free.

[Sinjin The Monke]

Originally posted by DDDHunter:

Originally posted by Sinjin The Monke:

They are the most inconsistent thing ive ever seen in a game in my entire life.

Theres no rhyme or reason why i can't use my ash summons to get dogs or archers to help me out in some fights.

Someone told me its only bosses, but half the time that doesn't work anyway.
another told me it was if i was a in a area with active summons but A: What makes an area a summoned area? and B: I've been able to use the ash summons in spots where the summon sign isn't availble.

Then i get into a fight where i can summon them, die and then try the fight again only to find that they aren't avalable now.

What am i missing? what are the steps i somehow randomly have followed on sheer accident to make them able to be used?

I just want a straight answer on why these things never work.

Yes i have enough FP
Yes the meter is full
No the summons still are being shy ♥♥♥♥♥ for no reason during most of my fights.

Ash summons are only usable for the fights that the devs have design with them in mind. I don't know what you are talking about with the summons being available after death, that is impossible. You are definitely not summoning in the same location. Also, don't ever expect the mimic to complete fights for you. The only reason you should be summoning them and why they are completely overpower is that they take away aggro. You have more opportunities to heal and deal free damage that otherwise.

By death i meant i summoned them in a boss fight, died then came back after respawning to the same boss fight and found i was unable to summon them at all now.

As for using the summons i did treat them as just ways to share aggro, their behavior doesn't really bother me much as much as the fact that most of the time the game just says "no, i'm not in the mood for your summon that takes up inventory space and resources to upgrade."

[Daegon]

You have plenty of ashes spirits, summon the spirit that fits better the situation.
Play wisely, don't blame the game.