If you used a cheesy rune exploit to get high level...

[Josh]

You didn't really beat the game.

[MOSLEY]

Cacomistle a écrit :

MOSLEY a écrit :

I don't think "gate keeping" means whatever you think it means.

"If you did it overleveled, you didn't really do it" is a pretty reasonable take.

If you didn't play through the whole game as a level 1 wretch with an unupgraded club and perfect every boss, you didn't really do it.

After all anything else you do, you did something to make the game easier for yourself. You can't just draw an arbitrary line 1 inch past whatever level/weapon you won the game with.

Well either that or getting the victory screen means you beat the game.

I can draw the line that dictates at which point I will recognise an accomplishment wherever I want. Thanks.

[Cacomistle]

MOSLEY a écrit :

Cacomistle a écrit :

If you didn't play through the whole game as a level 1 wretch with an unupgraded club and perfect every boss, you didn't really do it.

After all anything else you do, you did something to make the game easier for yourself. You can't just draw an arbitrary line 1 inch past whatever level/weapon you won the game with.

Well either that or getting the victory screen means you beat the game.

I can draw the line that dictates at which point I will recognise an accomplishment wherever I want. Thanks.

Well I'm gonna draw the line earlier then. You didn't accomplish anything.

[⭕TheSodaman]

Monk a écrit :

What if I am high level because I am not great at the game fight my way back to stuff gaining a load of extra runes then use them so I can swap between play styles, but said play styles don't make use of most of the levels?

I'm lvl 199, I've farmed a handful of levels, but mostly for random stuff or so I can have a high carry weight, like, my 24 faith, 31 str, 35 endurance and 30 dex has very little impact on my main plsystyle as a hex blade style warlock, using a moonveil and spells with 70 int, so my practical stats put me around 120-140 ish.

Hi Monk,

I think rune duping may be a major part of the OP's concerns.

There are some players around here that were looking to dupe stacks of Hero Runes.

e.g. copy your save, join multiplayer, leave the hero runes for partner, paste with your save when you still had the runes, repeat, until you both have a full stack of these runes.

[Monk]

MOSLEY a écrit :

Cacomistle a écrit :

If you didn't play through the whole game as a level 1 wretch with an unupgraded club and perfect every boss, you didn't really do it.

After all anything else you do, you did something to make the game easier for yourself. You can't just draw an arbitrary line 1 inch past whatever level/weapon you won the game with.

Well either that or getting the victory screen means you beat the game.

I can draw the line that dictates at which point I will recognise an accomplishment wherever I want. Thanks.

Really, as the highest zone is like 70, I'd say anything beyond thst is overleveled.

If you play online, thst gives you advantages to, so I hope you didn't beat it over 70 and online, no max level weapons or summons either.

Oh and it better of been a blind first time play through with no experience of other souls games either else you beating it doesn't count either as knowing the systems is more of an advantage than extra levels.

Way to many people seem to base their personality on the fact they play these games, it's, kind of sad.

[MOSLEY]

Cacomistle a écrit :

MOSLEY a écrit :

I can draw the line that dictates at which point I will recognise an accomplishment wherever I want. Thanks.

Well I'm gonna draw the line earlier then. You didn't accomplish anything.

I guess it's a good job I don't value your opinion then, isn't it?

[Terminator]

so killing enemies to get runes is exploiting and cheesing in DS series now? interesting point of view.

[JROCBABY]

Launched the game? Didn't beat it

[Monk]

⭕TheSodaman a écrit :

Monk a écrit :

What if I am high level because I am not great at the game fight my way back to stuff gaining a load of extra runes then use them so I can swap between play styles, but said play styles don't make use of most of the levels?

I'm lvl 199, I've farmed a handful of levels, but mostly for random stuff or so I can have a high carry weight, like, my 24 faith, 31 str, 35 endurance and 30 dex has very little impact on my main plsystyle as a hex blade style warlock, using a moonveil and spells with 70 int, so my practical stats put me around 120-140 ish.

Hi Monk,

I think rune duping may be a major part of the OP's concerns.

There are some players around here that were looking to dupe stacks of Hero Runes.

e.g. copy your save, join multiplayer, leave the hero runes for partner, paste with your save when you still had the runes, repeat, until you both have a full stack of these runes.

Ahh, didn't read like that, if that's the case, fair enough, I refuse to dupe anything, once I finally beat the game today or tomorrow I plan to go farm about 100 levels so I can swap between various play styles on ng+ runs, but I'll do it the good ol boring way lol

But I am at like 170 hours on this character already...

[Deviant]

why do you care what people do like how does that affect you in any way?

[MOSLEY]

Terminator a écrit :

so killing enemies to get runes is exploiting and cheesing in DS series now? interesting point of view.

No, farming runes to achieve a higher level than the developers intended when designing the areas in the game. I thought that was pretty clear but hopefully you understand now.

[Terminator]

MOSLEY a écrit :

Terminator a écrit :

so killing enemies to get runes is exploiting and cheesing in DS series now? interesting point of view.

No, farming runes to achieve a higher level than the developers intended when designing the areas in the game. I thought that was pretty clear but hopefully you understand now.

i used it to level my twink pvp alt and to get souls for weapon upgrades. ppl use it to level their main. - who - cares -
every DS game got a farmin spot. and those who cant overcome the game at low lvl use it.
Also if you are cooperating you get tone of runes - is this cheesing when you help ppl? in your words it is.

[Yagger]

Terminator a écrit :

MOSLEY a écrit :

No, farming runes to achieve a higher level than the developers intended when designing the areas in the game. I thought that was pretty clear but hopefully you understand now.

i used it to level my twink pvp alt and to get souls for weapon upgrades. ppl use it to level their main. - who - cares -
every DS game got a farmin spot. and those who cant overcome the game at low lvl use it.
Also if you are cooperating you get tone of runes - is this cheesing when you help ppl? in your words it is.

playing the game is cheating didn't you know

[Eguzky]

MOSLEY a écrit :

Terminator a écrit :

so killing enemies to get runes is exploiting and cheesing in DS series now? interesting point of view.

No, farming runes to achieve a higher level than the developers intended when designing the areas in the game. I thought that was pretty clear but hopefully you understand now.

If the 'developers intended' us to be a certain level; they could have level-locked areas, or de-leveled us when we enter areas.

I think you meant to say 'What we decided is proper with 0 authority to do so.'

[Autoro]

MOSLEY a écrit :

How smart do you think you need to be to summon mimic tear? In what way does this require intelligence?

What you're actually doing here is diminishing the accomplishments of people who challenged themselves because you're insecure about your own accomplishment (or lack of) and it's toxic AF.

There's more tools in my toolbox than the mimic tear, boy. Got sorceries, got incantations, got bleed weapons, frost weapons, ranged weapons, a variety of ashes to make use of based on the situation and my mood. I'm wise enough to recognize a challenge, and then make use of my tools to make it easier.

Plus, anyone who leaves their mimic tear to fight a boss with the wrong build will just result in a dead mimic. My build especially isn't too great for the mimic ashes, as I run a spellblade with the Darkmoon Greatsword. Dumb thing likes to throw out glintstone pebbles while I'm the one knee deep in the melee...

[MOSLEY]

Terminator a écrit :

MOSLEY a écrit :

No, farming runes to achieve a higher level than the developers intended when designing the areas in the game. I thought that was pretty clear but hopefully you understand now.

i used it to level my twink pvp alt and to get souls for weapon upgrades. ppl use it to level their main. - who - cares -
every DS game got a farmin spot. and those who cant overcome the game at low lvl use it.
Also if you are cooperating you get tone of runes - is this cheesing when you help ppl? in your words it is.

Sure, doesn't matter how you get the runes, if you're overleveled then you're cheesing. I don't care if people want to play that way, it doesn't affect me in the slightest. But don't expect anyone to care that you beat the game if you cheesed it. It's nothing special.