Bad Bossdesign doesnt mean boss is hard .... it means boss is boring to fight

[Sonnenbank]

It means boss is boring to fight.....

I think there is a heavy missunderstanding from all the wanna be pros who are legit not good at the game but think they are....

Margit Phase 2
Morgott whole fight
2nd Phase Malekith
Malenia
Fire Giant
and many more

This are all bosses that have heavy design flaws.
they are not fun to fight since they have some bs mechanics that make the fight boring/long/tedious -> waiting game....

These wanna be "git gud" souls pros dont even understand whats mechanically bad in those fights.
They also dont understand what made DS3 bossfights great.

When the best souls players in the world all agree that Malenia flurry is bad design
the reason is not that they cant beat Malenia.....
They all can easily

The reason is that you basically have to wait for her attack and stay back... be passive
which makes the fight boring.
if you fight agressive and she suddenly decides to do the flurry out of nowhere u are just dead.....

The Problem is not that she is hard to beat !
The Problem is that the fight is unnecessary dragged into length because of a mechanic that prevents an engaging fight.
And this is true for all bosses i mentioned above

The run away for 5minutes (exaggerated) and then get in 1 r2 and run away again for 5 minutes playstyle is just boring.

ofc u can use ranged or spirit ashes or mimic ....
but then fights become trivial and arent fun either....

What souls veterans really want is winning fights due to good movement/positioning !
They want fights to be a skill check rather than a long and boring patience check....

unfortunately so many of ER bosses request a passive waiting playstyle in melee....
run away, run away , run away ... get in 1 attack / repeat...

F.E Morgott in true melee no summons , no ashes is easy to beat
just wait for his spear throw in a medium distance
he will always fly towards you if the distance is right.
you can then jump behind him and l2 for ~ 1000 damage.

In phase 2 do the same expcet for now jump sideways behind him since directly behind him will be a damage pool.... l2 from sideways/behind him for 1000 damage.

rest of the fight just run away from everything.

eazy peazy almost 100% guaranteed win
Still boring 100%

i want to go in and fight him 1on1 ... get in attacks after i evade his attacks
but thats not possible.,.... he will just laserdagger/sword spazz out whenever you are close
thats a boring fight

not a difficult fight

[Sopranos Italianos]

I agree that there are some kinda stank bosses in this game, but I dunno about the ones you're talking about chief

Fire Giant is a boring health sponge, but morgott and morgit aren't really that hard.
You can fight Malenia aggressively, too, in fact that's one of the best ways TO fight her because she staggers so easily. If she starts doing the flurry you can literally just outrun it, I've seen people dodge it effectively, use bloodhound step, straight up just block with a half decent shield, it's really not that bad and I'm curious what souls pros you're talking about that are having THAT much trouble with it. She also doesn't do it out of nowhere, it's super telegraphed because she really slows jumps into the air to signal to you it's about to happen

Like no ♥♥♥♥ you have to be passive at some points, you aren't meant to play the game by just spamming r1 at the bosses till they die, there's supposed to be some back and forth between you and the boss so you have to use your head and actually learn their attacks

A lot of the Dark Souls 3 bosses are cool, but also very easy. Do you think Midir from the Ringed City was a bad boss? He has a lot of attacks you have to avoid and move away from, and can't just slap him in the face while he's throwing stuff at you. What about Slave Knight Gael? He has plenty of big aoes and combos you have to learn to dodge and wait out, is he a bad boss?

I understand this is a vent post but this is kinda a goofy take op ngl, there are more valid criticisms on some of these bosses you could be using here

[Kerrack]

Hey, at least they're better than Bed of Chaos, amirite?

[D. Flame]

Like Poetry. You got it completely correct.

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by Kerrack:

Hey, at least they're better than Bed of Chaos, amirite?

BoC sucked, but at least it was just one boss and over in less than 2 minutes. In ER, it applies to way too many enemies and bosses.

[binom]

I hate that almost all the bosses have an area filling flatulence (AOE).
Fire Giant is the worst boss in all the Soulsbourne series. Yep, he tops Semon of Dong and Bed of Chaos.

I would rather have Friede 10 times back to back than Malenia...

[L9 dorothea]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by Kerrack:

Hey, at least they're better than Bed of Chaos, amirite?

BoC sucked, but at least it was just one boss and over in less than 2 minutes. In ER, it applies to way too many enemies and bosses.

bed of chaos takes waaaay longer than 2 minutes xd
theres a reason the boss keeps progress when you die

[Naza]

someone's salty

or a horizon dev

[Yo Homie]

ER boss fights are just glass cannon fights. If you ever want to get more than one hit off you will usually get "punished" for it. Fun mechanics where the boss will jump back or have delayed attacks. Literally cant remember half the boss fights and im almost done with my second character. I would honestly take 15 hit combos of just normal boss attacks over these annoying or boring mechanics. Half the time you can also just tank hits and keep pushing for damage and you will win easily

[MingQWERTY]

What? Morgott is badly designed? He's like one of the coolest and best boss fights in the game

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by dorothea:

Originally posted by D. Flame:

BoC sucked, but at least it was just one boss and over in less than 2 minutes. In ER, it applies to way too many enemies and bosses.

bed of chaos takes waaaay longer than 2 minutes

Wrong.

1. Enter boss fog, slide down, and run to the target on the right, and hit it.
2. Save and quit then reload. You will be right in front of the boss fog with the target still broken.
3. Run to the left wall where you get a clear view of the left target and are out of range of the arm.
4. Shoot the target with a bow. It doesn't matter if you have the stats for it or not. It will still break the target.
5. Go back to the front of the room and look for a piece of floor that sticks out.
6. Wait for the arm to pass, then run (don't walk or sprint) off that piece of floor towards the root. If you do it right you will land on the root 100% of the time.
7. Run up and hit the bug for the win.

The entire process should take you less than 2 minutes.

[L9 dorothea]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by dorothea:

bed of chaos takes waaaay longer than 2 minutes

Wrong.

1. Enter boss fog, slide down, and run to the target on the right, and hit it.
2. Save and quit then reload. You will be right in front of the boss fog with the target still broken.
3. Run to the left wall where you get a clear view of the left target and are out of range of the arm.
4. Shoot the target with a bow. It doesn't matter if you have the stats for it or not. It will still break the target.
5. Go back to the front of the room and look for a piece of floor that sticks out.
6. Wait for the arm to pass, then run (don't walk or sprint) off that piece of floor towards the root. If you do it right you will land on the root 100% of the time.
7. Run up and hit the bug for the win.

The entire process should take you less than 2 minutes.

if you cheese it, yeah

[MingQWERTY]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by dorothea:

bed of chaos takes waaaay longer than 2 minutes

Wrong.

1. Enter boss fog, slide down, and run to the target on the right, and hit it.
2. Save and quit then reload. You will be right in front of the boss fog with the target still broken.
3. Run to the left wall where you get a clear view of the left target and are out of range of the arm.
4. Shoot the target with a bow. It doesn't matter if you have the stats for it or not. It will still break the target.
5. Go back to the front of the room and look for a piece of floor that sticks out.
6. Wait for the arm to pass, then run (don't walk or sprint) off that piece of floor towards the root. If you do it right you will land on the root 100% of the time.
7. Run up and hit the bug for the win.

The entire process should take you less than 2 minutes.

Assuming if you don't get hit by the flawless hitboxes of the hand swipes or don't fall off the collapsing ground which is such a cool mechanic you can do it in less than 2 minutes. But if you do not, you got to do an extremely exciting run all the way back to the boss room, slide down, and then get hit instantly by an attack which will deal 20-30% of your hp which forces you to stand still and heal while making you vulnerable to every other attacks.

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by Marklol:

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Wrong.

1. Enter boss fog, slide down, and run to the target on the right, and hit it.
2. Save and quit then reload. You will be right in front of the boss fog with the target still broken.
3. Run to the left wall where you get a clear view of the left target and are out of range of the arm.
4. Shoot the target with a bow. It doesn't matter if you have the stats for it or not. It will still break the target.
5. Go back to the front of the room and look for a piece of floor that sticks out.
6. Wait for the arm to pass, then run (don't walk or sprint) off that piece of floor towards the root. If you do it right you will land on the root 100% of the time.
7. Run up and hit the bug for the win.

The entire process should take you less than 2 minutes.

Assuming if you don't get hit by the flawless hitboxes of the hand swipes or don't fall off the collapsing ground which is such a cool mechanic you can do it in less than 2 minutes. But if you do not, you got to do an extremely exciting run all the way back to the boss room, slide down, and then get hit instantly by an attack which will deal 20-30% of your hp which forces you to stand still and heal while making you vulnerable to every other attacks.

*facepalm*

If you follow the exact process I told you, you won't have to deal with any of that crap. The ground isn't going to get you as you sprint to the target on the right. Then you save and reload, so you don't have to deal with it while running back to the front of the room.

Then when you move to the left target, if you stand in the right place, the piece of floor that falls won't matter to you, and the hand can't reach you.

Then the only time you are at risk is when you run onto the root, and you can get that timing down with minimal practice.

If can also stand right at the bottom of the ramp and heal for free, IIRC.

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by dorothea:

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Wrong.

1. Enter boss fog, slide down, and run to the target on the right, and hit it.
2. Save and quit then reload. You will be right in front of the boss fog with the target still broken.
3. Run to the left wall where you get a clear view of the left target and are out of range of the arm.
4. Shoot the target with a bow. It doesn't matter if you have the stats for it or not. It will still break the target.
5. Go back to the front of the room and look for a piece of floor that sticks out.
6. Wait for the arm to pass, then run (don't walk or sprint) off that piece of floor towards the root. If you do it right you will land on the root 100% of the time.
7. Run up and hit the bug for the win.

The entire process should take you less than 2 minutes.

if you cheese it, yeah

It is a puzzle boss. Once you know the solution, the boss is easy.

There is a reason Souls Vets call BoC an unfun puzzle fight.

[L9 dorothea]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by dorothea:

if you cheese it, yeah

It is a puzzle boss. Once you know the solution, the boss is easy.

There is a reason Souls Vets call BoC an unfun puzzle fight.

i mean, you can also say that with any boss. the puzzle is learning the movesets and using a super broken build to do it in less than a minute. for the first time youll struggle for more than 2 minutes but if youre experienced you wont have problems with anything in any of the games