Are maidens important lore wise?

[Loving Wound]

Lore readers, I call up ya'll

Like 2 NPCs mentioned and that's all I can remember, but odd they mentioned it at all? Is there like some weird lore reason why you need maidens or is it just a mocker of your lack of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥?

[Grad]

A Finger Maiden is a woman chosen by the Two Fingers - a religious leader and devotee of the Golden Order - to pair with a Tarnished attempting to claim the Elden Ring.

[Grad]

You want the deep dive into Melina too?

[SmallGespenst]

gameplay wise a maiden is required to be able to level up, and go to roundtable hold (judging by what Varre says that's a lore thing too) so being maidenless basically means you can't level up at all and you don't have access to the blacksmith to get weapons past +3

[Loving Wound]

Originally posted by Grad:

You want the deep dive into Melina too?

Sure. Rather interesting to know that's why only a few NPCs mentioned it, Melina offered her guidance, I forgot her dialague at the beginning, makes sense.

[Rhawkas]

I think I remember reading somewhere (possibly on their clothing set?) that they're chosen by the Two Fingers to help guide Tarnished.

Considering what Melina says when you first meet her, I can't help but wonder if they're required to help Tarnished become more powerful (IE level up). Haven't tried declining Melina's offer yet and seeing what it affects (or if you even actually can).

[ZTL-Altima]

Lore presentation in this game is a bit meh.

[0wnz0r]

maidens r only important if u got none.

[Grad]

Originally posted by Red Boi:

Originally posted by Grad:

You want the deep dive into Melina too?

Sure. Rather interesting to know that's why only a few NPCs mentioned it, Melina offered her guidance, I forgot her dialague at the beginning, makes sense.

Sure. So here is where the story gets nuts.
Melina and Ranni were originally the same person, hence why they look exactly the same and share the same closed eye.

This article explains it better than I could. It's a long read but it goes over this.

https://screenrant.com/elden-ring-melina-fake-finger-maiden-story-lore/

[Loving Wound]

Originally posted by Grad:

Originally posted by Red Boi:

Sure. Rather interesting to know that's why only a few NPCs mentioned it, Melina offered her guidance, I forgot her dialague at the beginning, makes sense.

Sure. So here is where the story gets nuts.
Melina and Ranni were originally the same person, hence why they look exactly the same and share the same closed eye.

This article explains it better than I could. It's a long read but it goes over this.

https://screenrant.com/elden-ring-melina-fake-finger-maiden-story-lore/

Will definatly take a read, thanks!

[Jirodyne]

Maidens are 'meant' to be important, but they aren't actually important at all.

They're meant to be very important for Tarnish, that without them the Tarnish will seemingly just die out. There are, aparently like, hundreds of thousands of Tarnish that just randomly die around the world, somewhere, somehow, with no bodies around to show for it. It's very rarely talked about. Tarnish is pretty much anyone and everyone that isn't a Demi God, somehow. No real explanation given. Pretty much if you can talk to them, they Tarnish.

And being Maidenless is a Death Sentence. Like it's talked about by the first npc you talk to, like that without a Maiden, if you die, you die forever, no revive... But concidering you can die before getting a maiden, that's either complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, you're a god, or the devs ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up and didn't have the Lore have impact on the Gameplay, and didn't fix this loophole by having a cutscene at first showing you having a maiden.

Then there is Melina, who 'Takes the role of Maiden'... without being a Maiden... like what the ♥♥♥♥? Maidens are meant to be special, unique, and very rare... And yet this girl, who seems to not be a Tarnish, nor a Demi-God, can just... Will herself to be a Maiden, and grant herself the ability to have you level up.

They don't even explain the leveling up stuff in lore. Like Demon's Souls and all 3 Dark Souls is pretty explicit, that Souls have power and the Fire Keepers take those souls from you and can turn them into power and grant that power to you. Such as, finding a bunch of Metal, and they turn it into a weapon or something for you. There is a step of turning souls into power to be used that only Fire Keepers have, which is why they are so valuable, and why killing one of such a high crime, as without them no one can gain power except Demons in Demon's Souls

In Elden Ring tho, there is no explanations about Runes... They just... Exist. They aren't Souls, they aren't fueled by, run on, or have any connection to people or souls... They are just... Coins. Money. That's it. *shrugs* Literally nothing is explained. This is the worse game in terms of lore, there is no lore. at all. They have random bits of random information, but no actual world, no lore, no connection, no answers. They just... Exist.

[XGear]

Becouse they need you to die to transform you into a zombie, with the maiden together, the table can have a Iron Maiden band, and make a party in that boring and quiet base. Also, that girl who hold you no her chest cant wait to drink like a dog and let all evil she have goes out and dance naked above that table for all those no life pervert mans of table.

[Rhawkas]

Originally posted by Grad:

Originally posted by Red Boi:

Sure. Rather interesting to know that's why only a few NPCs mentioned it, Melina offered her guidance, I forgot her dialague at the beginning, makes sense.

Sure. So here is where the story gets nuts.
Melina and Ranni were originally the same person, hence why they look exactly the same and share the same closed eye.

This article explains it better than I could. It's a long read but it goes over this.

https://screenrant.com/elden-ring-melina-fake-finger-maiden-story-lore/

Interesting read. Thanks for linking it. I find things like this fascinating where they assemble all the pieces of the puzzle, which often includes some pieces I didn't even realize were part of the puzzle. XD

[Rhawkas]

Originally posted by RainbowC22:

They don't even explain the leveling up stuff in lore. Like Demon's Souls and all 3 Dark Souls is pretty explicit, that Souls have power and the Fire Keepers take those souls from you and can turn them into power and grant that power to you. Such as, finding a bunch of Metal, and they turn it into a weapon or something for you. There is a step of turning souls into power to be used that only Fire Keepers have, which is why they are so valuable, and why killing one of such a high crime, as without them no one can gain power except Demons in Demon's Souls

In Elden Ring tho, there is no explanations about Runes... They just... Exist. They aren't Souls, they aren't fueled by, run on, or have any connection to people or souls... They are just... Coins. Money. That's it. *shrugs* Literally nothing is explained. This is the worse game in terms of lore, there is no lore. at all. They have random bits of random information, but no actual world, no lore, no connection, no answers. They just... Exist.

Pretty sure it is explained. The runes are tiny fragments of the Elden Ring.

[Grad]

Originally posted by RainbowC22:

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It seems that Fromsoft implemented Martins writing around the Empyreans and the Demigods well, but then they tried to fit it into the Dark Souls system and couldn't fully realise his writing, or rather left it vague as they tend to do...which is a shame! If you read the article I posted above it is really interesting stuff...but very little is explained ingame other than what players can piece together.

[gachi is manly]

Originally posted by Rhawkas:

Pretty sure it is explained. The runes are tiny fragments of the Elden Ring.

Yea, I think you're right. I can't find anywhere where it specifically states that runes are tiny fragments of the Elden Ring, but considering they say great runes are larger chunks of the Elden Ring, it stands to reason that regular runes are even smaller fragments of it.