I'm going to say it..invasions should be optional

[vikram9248]

I have nothing against PvP. There is a Red sign people can put down if they want.

But sometimes you just want to have fun doing coop with your fiends and not everyone enjoys invasions. If you do then that's great. But if you don't want it it should be an option. And people who argue against this are basically griefers.

[Farkus]

Originally posted by Anzaman:

Originally posted by Farkus:

Also, I don't think this has been mentioned yet, but if invasions were opt in, it would drastically decrease the invasion pool effectively killing PVP.

If they'd follow first suggestion in this thread, they'd play offline. And that too would result in smaller invasion pool.

True, but then they cant summon. Summoning is an incentive to bring people into the invasion pool.

[[OTS]EchoZenLogos]

Originally posted by vikram9248:

But you have the red summon signs? Why is that not enough for pvp? Are you sure about it being a balancing factor? It may be true. But what about griefers? Do you think it is right for people with the sole intention of ruining someone else's fun is a good thing?

Well, because red summon signs are for duels. Duels are only one aspect of PvP. Having to frantically fight off an invader in a tough spot as a host in co-op gives an extra aspect of stress and anxiety, and great relief if you defeat them, that is completely on brand. I also enjoy invading from time to time because it means fighting in the world and using the environment to your advantage, rather than simply fighting in a boring little arena.

Griefers of course can get bent. But what qualifies as "griefing"? Some people act as though the mere act of invading is "griefing," but that isn't remotely the case because invasions are an intended and built-in aspect of the game challenge. They are meant to be like mini-bosses, and unless people actually abuse things like glitched builds that haven't been patched or use exploits - I think it's all fair.

Those who invade with the intention of "ruining someone else's fun" are of course not motivated by a good cause. But the thing is - FROMSOFT games have always been designed to extract fun from overcoming a challenge and risking death along the way. Invasions are simply another aspect of that, and if someone wants to play the game in an unintended manner (like using co-op on every boss or in every area because they don't want to risk every dying), then them getting frustrated by the core game philosophy sending an invader at them just seems odd.

Invaders typically aren't looking to grief - they are looking to just have a good time and provide some entertainment for both sides, as a unique enemy of the world that previously seemed "safe" from that sort of thing.

[Max Payne: Maximum Pain]

mayazaki said he is not changing his games for anyone
so you better get used to it

[SOLOMON]

Originally posted by Dootslayer:

Originally posted by ɸ Keeper M'thi'ria ɸ:

It's almost as if it's a very common opinion.

The loud minority is always louder than anyone else. Its already optional. You guys clearly have no idea what you are buying. I will buy Forza Horizon 5 and complain about the lack of jet fighters. Ah, why do i even bother anymore.

.. you do realize that invaders/pvpers are the loud minority right..? lol

[Anzaman]

Originally posted by Farkus:

Originally posted by Anzaman:

If they'd follow first suggestion in this thread, they'd play offline. And that too would result in smaller invasion pool.

True, but then they cant summon. Summoning is an incentive to bring people into the invasion pool.

True, but they could just summon friends at boss fog gates - enabling full benefits of multiplayer without the penalties as invader gets kicked out when host goes through the gate.

[Dootslayer]

Originally posted by Scarlet Rot Enthusiast:

mayazaki said he is not changing his games for anyone
so you better get used to it

Originally posted by SOLOMON:

Originally posted by Dootslayer:

The loud minority is always louder than anyone else. Its already optional. You guys clearly have no idea what you are buying. I will buy Forza Horizon 5 and complain about the lack of jet fighters. Ah, why do i even bother anymore.

.. you do realize that invaders/pvpers are the loud minority right..? lol

Originally posted by SOLOMON:

Originally posted by Dootslayer:

The loud minority is always louder than anyone else. Its already optional. You guys clearly have no idea what you are buying. I will buy Forza Horizon 5 and complain about the lack of jet fighters. Ah, why do i even bother anymore.

.. you do realize that invaders/pvpers are the loud minority right..? lol

Sure, dear newcomer to Fromgames, enjoy your opinion, i don't care about it. I'v been reading your kinds complaints about invading for every From game with pvp. Its old now. Really old and tiring.

[Dootslayer]

Originally posted by Scarlet Rot Enthusiast:

mayazaki said he is not changing his games for anyone
so you better get used to it

Considering they nerfed Radahn, that was obviously a lie.

[SOLOMON]

Originally posted by Anzaman:

Originally posted by Farkus:

Also, I don't think this has been mentioned yet, but if invasions were opt in, it would drastically decrease the invasion pool effectively killing PVP.

If they'd follow first suggestion in this thread, they'd play offline. And that too would result in smaller invasion pool.

this. this right here. i've said it a hundred times and nobody has ever challenged it because it completely destroys the stupid argument. "play offline" is the EXACT same thing as letting someone play co-op without invasions- there's not loss involved when someone isn't playing online to begin with.

god it hurts my brain how stupid it is to think that way.

[Farkus]

Originally posted by Anzaman:

Originally posted by Farkus:

True, but then they cant summon. Summoning is an incentive to bring people into the invasion pool.

True, but they could just summon friends at boss fog gates - enabling full benefits of multiplayer without the penalties as invader gets kicked out when host goes through the gate.

Sure, they are already doing that. So the best course for this game is to change nothing.

[vikram9248]

Originally posted by Dootslayer:

Originally posted by vikram9248:

What do you mean buy the game? I am on my cheap work laptop here. I have the game on my main account and on series x..

Oh in that case, you should understand my point. Maybe you had luck with red signs, on my end it was the worst waiting game ever, that i'm not willing to do ever again. Just a hour of red sign gameplay would equal to 2 hours of doing nothing because of the wait.

OK I understand your point. But what about the whole griefing argument? Like what I'm saying is there is different mentality some people like to have a PvP contest. But when the sole purpose is "hey i'm gonna ruin someone else's fun" how is it a good thing?

[Anzaman]

Originally posted by Farkus:

Originally posted by Anzaman:

True, but they could just summon friends at boss fog gates - enabling full benefits of multiplayer without the penalties as invader gets kicked out when host goes through the gate.

Sure, they are already doing that. So the best course for this game is to change nothing.

Allowing them to summon friends at Grace/Bonfire/etc.. would make no difference for your invasion pool then.

[LZXio]

Originally posted by Farkus:

Also, I don't think this has been mentioned yet, but if invasions were opt in, it would drastically decrease the invasion pool effectively killing PVP.

I agree with the OP, but I get both sides. I think people who invade get angry at the suggestion because they know it would drastically decrease people to play with as you said, and they want to be able to invade in the game. If they didn't, they wouldn't bother with people having more options.

[SOLOMON]

Originally posted by Dootslayer:

Originally posted by Scarlet Rot Enthusiast:

mayazaki said he is not changing his games for anyone
so you better get used to it

Originally posted by SOLOMON:

.. you do realize that invaders/pvpers are the loud minority right..? lol

Originally posted by SOLOMON:

.. you do realize that invaders/pvpers are the loud minority right..? lol

Sure, dear newcomer to Fromgames, enjoy your opinion, i don't care about it. I'v been reading your kinds complaints about invading for every From game with pvp. Its old now. Really old and tiring.

"newcomer" lmao my 5000+ hours across the souls games says otherwise but sure thing, crybaby. you've done nothing but piss and moan all evening about nerfs. sad.

[Fullmetal]

Every bonus comes with a onus.

in a sense, they main point of summons are to help you defeat the area boss (which, granted, if you use it that way, you will not be invaded).

All other cases are optional. And have a onus by design. You don't just make souls game easy like that (unless you are using moonveil or mimic tear, of course)

[Dootslayer]

Originally posted by vikram9248:

Originally posted by Dootslayer:

Oh in that case, you should understand my point. Maybe you had luck with red signs, on my end it was the worst waiting game ever, that i'm not willing to do ever again. Just a hour of red sign gameplay would equal to 2 hours of doing nothing because of the wait.

OK I understand your point. But what about the whole griefing argument? Like what I'm saying is there is different mentality some people like to have a PvP contest. But when the sole purpose is "hey i'm gonna ruin someone else's fun" how is it a good thing?

Its not griefing like what the f man, sniping in Battlefield is griefing too since the assault can't see you?