Is there a way to do Valiant Gargoyle boss fight @ lvl 70 without any cheese?

[Lahoo Eckbert]

Is it me or is that fight insanely difficult? Granted, my damage sucks but the movement and attack patterns of the gargoyles is too meta.

[Asbrudael]

try to put some distance to them when they are close to each other, so one will come closer and the other stay further, poke when you can, rinse, repeat (and try to damage the first one as much as you can before the second comes to the party).

don't try to fight both at the same time, except if you're really sure of your roll timings and if you know their patterns very well (and if you don't lock on them)

It takes some patience but it's possible

[Lahoo Eckbert]

That hardly happens. Usually they time their attacks perfectly. If one is behind he usually uses poison from a distance which still gets you. Are they vulnerable to a certain weapon or type of damage?
My main problem is one hit from them takes half my hp @ 30 vigor and my hits do around 200 damage. I've seen videos where people do 500-700 damage per hit.

[815|Shouldabeen]

I just did the fight for the first time in NG+4. While I'm probably relatively much stronger than you are but this is what I did.

First off, summon mimic tear. It'll take some of the focus off of you. You get it in nokron on your way down to the fight.

Second, only focus the first one until it is dead. The longer there's 2 on the screen, the longer you have to deal with both.

Third. Do NOT use bleed weapons. They're made of stone. They don't bleed.

Finally, be patient. There's no timer on the fight. Pick your trades well.

[Asbrudael]

i don't know for their vulnerabilities , I did it like it, maybe RNG was with me, I had maybe 300 damage something like that. maybe go check wiki if you want more informations?

[Scraps]

A tanky ash summon helps with managing the fight. Lhutel the Headless is generally who I recommend for most gank fights since she's super bulky (though her damage isn't great). Ideally, she'll die once one gargoyle is dead so you can focus on that and the moveset you're comfy with.

Mimic Tear got recently nerfed and I generally don't like suggesting things that're very oppressive for that reason.

[M͕͕͗͗i͕͕͗͗y͕͕͗͗o]

the gargoyls are weak to magic and fire. try putting fire on your weapon

[ImpTaimer]

Using spectral summons or parrying (when applicable) is not cheesing. Using something tanky (even if its just upgraded Jellyfish) just to distract one boss while you finish the other is what you need to do. If you don't want to play meta builds thats fine. As long as you've upgraded your main weapon(s) as reasonably as you can given the content you currently access, you can kill the boss. Don't ailment enchant your weapons unless you're certain the boss is weak against it, or have a backup pure physical weapon.

If you're playing a build that "can't" use spells/incantations, make sure you have poison cure items. If you have enough stats to use a poison cure incantation, do it.

I've killed almost every (optional) boss without a single FP flask just taking my time and fishing for attacks. I only caved to the reroll meta once I unlocked rerolls after finally caving in and progressing the story to unlock more talismans.

Only abusing exploits is cheesing, and if you're playing post-patch many of them were stomped out anyway. Obviously what is considered an exploit is purely up to the dev after-the-fact, but treating basic game features as "cheesing" is not going to help you beat the game. Asking for help is cheesing at that point.

[Lahoo Eckbert]

Ok I got them. I just took my time. I used a greatshield and a lightning cross naginata(which is what I'm using with this faith/dex/str hybrid build).

TBH it is an awful fight. It is mostly RNG how they behave. In my case, the one with lower HP(the first one) became less agressive after the twinblade one joined the fray. In every single attempt. So whenever I went to him, the other one blindsided me. Also the one who stays behind most of the time used the poison AOE, which made it very hard for me to approach him. So I just kept the distance and circled and waited for them to come to me.

I also had a flail +15 also infused with lightning but it was doing the same damage. Weird because I'd expect a "strike" weapon work better against em.
I also had a magma wyrm curved greatsword which is flame+physical hybrid but it wasn't doing much better damage so I went with Naginata.

So yeah the mainline strategy seems to be a patient, turtle one step ahead two steps back kind of approach. Unless you have good damage ofc. I'd play much more agressive if I was doing like 500-600 each hit.

[Giesmode]

got em 2nd try with my 2 skeleten spearman as distraction and focus 1st down, then go 2nd, granted i used 9 estus^^ close win. sl 88 with like 1.4k hp. even had bleed aff on wpn so wasted dmg there. 1-h/shield

[Humpenstilzchen]

I used Luthel the Headless to distract one of the gargoyles while I focused on dealing with the other one and since I am playing a combination of sword and sorcerer I just cheesed the gargoyle by bombarding him with rock sling and bloodhound stepped out when he freaked out. Worked very well.