Dragon Communion abilities

[𝕹𝖞𝖙𝖍𝖆𝖓𝖉]

After the recent patches i am sad to see that the dragon spells have not been changed, High mana cost, low damange, long animations, split stat scaling, they are frankly just awful, anyone else figure out a way to make them worth while? just seems like alot of effort for low reward.

[Jork]

your beanie baby původně napsal:

Lorenzo543 původně napsal:

idk how your build is looking but, as the other person said, you've already made up your mind, if you want you can take the advise of trying to use the rot breath and timing it more carefully you can take it, you can also do the opposite and just stop using it, it's just advice

just using rotten breath is boring

use frost breath too

i always have rot & frost equipped, both do great

[Lorenzo]

your beanie baby původně napsal:

Lorenzo543 původně napsal:

idk how your build is looking but, as the other person said, you've already made up your mind, if you want you can take the advise of trying to use the rot breath and timing it more carefully you can take it, you can also do the opposite and just stop using it, it's just advice

just using rotten breath is boring

i know that, that's why i waited for my second character to actually use them, i always do that in my second playthrough, just use whatever i think is the most braindead strategy and wreck the bosses that bullied me before

[𝕹𝖞𝖙𝖍𝖆𝖓𝖉]

Whobody_Jones původně napsal:

dragon spells are OP and I wreck bosses and giant mobs with the blasts. PVP is so fun with them, don't lock on and spray left and right and catch them all the time. Learn the windup timing which is the spell's drawback, spec into Faith like you are supposed to for INCANTATIONS, and use them. If you think they are weak that says you need to be getting to that gud status

Ive beaten the game entirely i was just asking to see if anyone else was struggling with them or had a different experience.

[Mander]

I mostly agree: rot breath, greyoll roar and placidusax are the "good" ones of the bunch. All of the rest are too expansive for the damage they deal. or simply impractical.
You can make them viable ofc, but it requires going the extra mile: we've better poise breaker and better damage dealer in glinstone sorcery.
Which is sad.

[Whobody_Jones]

Also, if you are having issues with damage but you meet the spell's requirements to use, then look at your catalyst/incantation item and make sure you are leveling it up just like your weapons. There are also talismans for dragon attacks that boost them as well a dragon spell boosting dragon catalyst. Just because you haven't figured it out yet, don't be calling for nerfs until you know what you are talking about. Otherwise, you use ignorance to keep the complaint cycle going instead of learning the game and having fun with what your incorrectly perceived as weak. They are far from it.

[Legate]

I'm doing like 3k damage to enemies with Rotten Breath using 100 stamina and FP, and the scarlet rot status on top of that. Have 36/30 Fth/Arc using Dragon Communion seal and Flock's Canvas talisman

[Whobody_Jones]

Kalameet původně napsal:

Jork původně napsal:

i just can't help but laugh at posts like this. the dragon spells are honestly ridiculously powerful, i've been using them as my paladin/dragon knight character for the vast majority of the game and they're STILL ridiculously powerful even in the later parts of the game. honestly, the breath spells need a nerf if anything, especially frost and rot breath.

i can only assume people who somehow think the dragon spells suck don't realize you can upgrade seals at the blacksmith to boost damage of incantations. i've been using the bestial seal, i've had it at +13 for a long time, dragon breath spells obliterate pretty much everything, including bosses. i'm at the mountaintops of the giants and they're still working great.

I am an enthusiast dragon spell user, yet sometimes i won't even dare use a DragonBreath unless i have 50 meters between me and the mob.

A single zombie punch with strength 1 can throw you out of the spell animation, and may god forgive you if you get cockblocked when the spell already used your FP.

Dragon claw is already more generous with poise, but landing a strike while paying 1/3 of your HP (because a boss hit you midcast) is often a no-go for me.

And no... dragon spells are nowhere this powerful, especially for their cost and their slow casting time.

Clawmark Seal +11 (20 STR, 27 FAI) and dragon claw barely did 400 damage to the last boss i fought (bell bearing hunter, church of vows)

Dragon Breath was totally a waste of FP on this one, even with 3 focused castings.

You can't just slap a Dragon spell on your character and think it's going to be decent if you aren't specced for it. Not to be contrarian, but every point you mentioned is the opposite for me, but I've played every fromsoft game so am used to the weapon systems and scaling. If I'm an intelligence mage, would I run around with an unleveled "uber" bow all the time? You can do damage but it won't be good. Same applies for dragon spells. You build for them such as a faith/dragon warrior build which is what I and the previous poster are running. I've been telling everyone Faith and Dragon is OP, and then I see this discussion. Are you running dragon talisman, have you leveled your incantation casting item? Did you find the Dragon incantation item that boosts them further? Probably not. Build for Dragon spells and then use them properly and you won't have these issues. Yes, the windup and mana use are bad, but it is precisely because they are OP. You can use breath on horse and on most bosses right at the start and in between animations but you do have to time is very well. If you can't, definitely use a different class setup

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Whobody_Jones původně napsal:

Kalameet původně napsal:

I am an enthusiast dragon spell user, yet sometimes i won't even dare use a DragonBreath unless i have 50 meters between me and the mob.

A single zombie punch with strength 1 can throw you out of the spell animation, and may god forgive you if you get cockblocked when the spell already used your FP.

Dragon claw is already more generous with poise, but landing a strike while paying 1/3 of your HP (because a boss hit you midcast) is often a no-go for me.

And no... dragon spells are nowhere this powerful, especially for their cost and their slow casting time.

Clawmark Seal +11 (20 STR, 27 FAI) and dragon claw barely did 400 damage to the last boss i fought (bell bearing hunter, church of vows)

Dragon Breath was totally a waste of FP on this one, even with 3 focused castings.

You can't just slap a Dragon spell on your character and think it's going to be decent if you aren't specced for it. Not to be contrarian, but every point you mentioned is the opposite for me, but I've played every fromsoft game so am used to the weapon systems and scaling. If I'm an intelligence mage, would I run around with an unleveled "uber" bow all the time? You can do damage but it won't be good. Same applies for dragon spells. You build for them such as a faith/dragon warrior build which is what I and the previous poster are running. I've been telling everyone Faith and Dragon is OP, and then I see this discussion. Are you running dragon talisman, have you leveled your incantation casting item? Did you find the Dragon incantation item that boosts them further? Probably not. Build for Dragon spells and then use them properly and you won't have these issues. Yes, the windup and mana use are bad, but it is precisely because they are OP. You can use breath on horse and on most bosses right at the start and in between animations but you do have to time is very well. If you can't, definitely use a different class setup

+10 dragon talisman
rot breath
40 faith
30 arcane
Does around 900 damage with 40 mind, Then whatever it ticks for. Not terrible but certainly weak compared to other builds in the game. It does well early, especially when you get the breath talisman and incantation talisman, but falls off as the game goes on. Flashy, nice to look at, in a vacuum its alright but when compared to sorcery or bleed or even strength builds it leaves a lot to be desired.

[Whobody_Jones]

Mikamus původně napsal:

For pvp rotten breath is trash. Boluses exist.

I've basically one-shotted handfuls of invaders with Scarlet Breath. If your Faith scaling is good, and you have the dragon loadout items like the dragon casting item leveled up and breath talisman, you can melt people. It does some type of raw magic damage straight to their health too so even before they've been rotted it should take chunks off their bar and then if aimed right they will be rolling away with rot and most health gone at that point. You have to spec for them directly to be worth it, otherwise, they are average and hard to use

[Lorenzo]

Nythand původně napsal:

Whobody_Jones původně napsal:

You can't just slap a Dragon spell on your character and think it's going to be decent if you aren't specced for it. Not to be contrarian, but every point you mentioned is the opposite for me, but I've played every fromsoft game so am used to the weapon systems and scaling. If I'm an intelligence mage, would I run around with an unleveled "uber" bow all the time? You can do damage but it won't be good. Same applies for dragon spells. You build for them such as a faith/dragon warrior build which is what I and the previous poster are running. I've been telling everyone Faith and Dragon is OP, and then I see this discussion. Are you running dragon talisman, have you leveled your incantation casting item? Did you find the Dragon incantation item that boosts them further? Probably not. Build for Dragon spells and then use them properly and you won't have these issues. Yes, the windup and mana use are bad, but it is precisely because they are OP. You can use breath on horse and on most bosses right at the start and in between animations but you do have to time is very well. If you can't, definitely use a different class setup

+10 dragon talisman
rot breath
40 faith
30 arcane
Does around 900 damage with 40 mind, Then whatever it ticks for. Not terrible but certainly weak compared to other builds in the game. It does well early, especially when you get the breath talisman and incantation talisman, but falls off as the game goes on. Flashy, nice to look at, in a vacuum its alright but when compared to sorcery or bleed or even strength builds it leaves a lot to be desired.

bruh idk how that's your damage, i have a +15 finger seal, the talisman that boosts breath attacks, 40 faith and around 25 mind, if you saw the video i posted earlier you can clearly see i dealt like 2-2.5k damage to the boss in one breath

[yannypr]

Wait til you try Scarlet Aeonia

[XenoPredAlien]

i finished the game doing nothing but Dragon heads normal heads do around 1.5 -2k damage while the better heads do around 3k-4k damage you can also dual wield sacred seals they give a a percentage boost to the main one your using heck if you do want to run a weapon with the Dragon Heads Coded Sword or Cipher Pata the down side it only does holy damage even with Placidusax's Ruin sadly doesnt get the Dragon Communion boost still does 4.5k sometimes more damage for me the only downside to the Dragon Heads is that they dont stagger to often or at all i dont mind the time to cast because technically its an incantation they take a while but they should put a minor buff on when you do cast it is uninterrupted.

[Rinny]

Everyone saying you're dumb yet I have not seen one single player in co op/pvp/ and watching playthroughs use dragon spells other than the scarlet rot one
They are all garbage to use

[Warpsmith_GREW50ME]

Dragon Priest is alleged to be the strongest build by far, according to the wiki

[Lorenzo]

Rinny původně napsal:

Everyone saying you're dumb yet I have not seen one single player in co op/pvp/ and watching playthroughs use dragon spells other than the scarlet rot one
They are all garbage to use

no one's saying anyone's dumb lol, we're just talking about how each one of us has used the breath attacks, and we were giving advice to someone about it. maybe you haven't seen anyone use it but personally everyone i talk to about this always agree they are indeed strong, just because they're not a braindead r1 spam or a simple weapon art doesn't mean they're trash