Dragon Communion abilities

[𝒏𝑨𝒕𝑬]

After the recent patches i am sad to see that the dragon spells have not been changed, High mana cost, low damange, long animations, split stat scaling, they are frankly just awful, anyone else figure out a way to make them worth while? just seems like alot of effort for low reward.

[Lorenzo]

Origineel geplaatst door Jork:

Origineel geplaatst door Lorenzo543:

breath attacks are busted, you only have to time it correctly, that's all there is to it

this.

nythand, you already made up your mind thinking the dragon spells suck. i'm not interested in getting into a debate over balance in a game.

you're doing something very wrong. if you prefer sorcery, stick with sorcery, that's fine. i just genuinely don't understand how someone can think the dragon spells suck because that hasn't been my experience with them whatsoever.

i'm doing about 1500 damage with two breath casts one after the other. my mind stat is 15, i've barely levelled it. the range on the breath is ridiculous. the long casting time isn't that big a deal considering you aren't supposed to try using it in the heat of battle, it's meant to be a pre-emptive strike.

despite that, i have cast it mid-battle quite a few times successfully. it's risky, but the payoff has been worth it for me.

i don't know what you're doing wrong compared to pretty much everyone else who picks up and just plays all agree that they're very strong.

i agree, i can just melt bosses down with the scarlet rot breath, it just takes a little getting used to the long cast, and it does deplete my mana but one flask is all i need to refill it and the overall damage is well worth it

[Jork]

Origineel geplaatst door Lorenzo543:

i agree, i can just melt bosses down with the scarlet rot breath, it just takes a little getting used to the long cast, and it does deplete my mana but one flask is all i need to refill it and the overall damage is well worth it

same here.

it's very mana efficent. i only levelled mind up like 2 or 3 times, which is just enough to cast two rot breaths or two frost breaths.

if anything survives that, it's either a miniboss or a boss. the rot usually kills minibosses very shortly after. frost proc usually straight up kills minibosses for me.

[𝒏𝑨𝒕𝑬]

Origineel geplaatst door Yagger:

Origineel geplaatst door Nythand:

Again is the status effects the only reason to run them? if so you might as well not use them and allocate the stats to something better like a pure int or dex build or even bleed.

the stats aren't much by any means to use it, it deals damage, stunlocks and rots, aaand it pisses people off when you use it, nothing but wins

Look you all have raised good points about how they should be used and why the status effects are a big benefit but i dont see how something so slow can be useful in 1 on 1 encounters. There is no way you have a window big enough in fights with aggresive bosses to ever pull it off unless they are just being oddly passive. Every boss encounter i have had in this game the bosses have been 0 to 100 ontop of me right off the gate.

[Lorenzo]

Origineel geplaatst door Jork:

Origineel geplaatst door Lorenzo543:

i agree, i can just melt bosses down with the scarlet rot breath, it just takes a little getting used to the long cast, and it does deplete my mana but one flask is all i need to refill it and the overall damage is well worth it

same here.

it's very mana efficent. i only levelled mind up like 2 or 3 times, which is just enough to cast two rot breaths or two frost breaths.

if anything survives that, it's either a miniboss or a boss. the rot usually kills minibosses very shortly after. frost proc usually straight up kills minibosses for me.

i usually run out of mana in one breath because i hold it down and do the entire animation, usually results in more damage

[Janthis]

I had the same experience, average damage, long casting time and high FP cost made them mostly not worthy it, a shame since they're among the better looking spell effects. I'll experiment with rot breath etc., some more.

[𝒏𝑨𝒕𝑬]

Origineel geplaatst door Lorenzo543:

Origineel geplaatst door Jork:

same here.

it's very mana efficent. i only levelled mind up like 2 or 3 times, which is just enough to cast two rot breaths or two frost breaths.

if anything survives that, it's either a miniboss or a boss. the rot usually kills minibosses very shortly after. frost proc usually straight up kills minibosses for me.

i usually run out of mana in one breath because i hold it down and do the entire animation, usually results in more damage

im talking about for boss encounters ive said previously its okay in open world against basic mobs, in fact they are super useful for AOE farming.

[Jork]

Origineel geplaatst door Nythand:

Origineel geplaatst door Yagger:

the stats aren't much by any means to use it, it deals damage, stunlocks and rots, aaand it pisses people off when you use it, nothing but wins

Look you all have raised good points about how they should be used and why the status effects are a big benefit but i dont see how something so slow can be useful in 1 on 1 encounters. There is no way you have a window big enough in fights with aggresive bosses to ever pull it off unless they are just being oddly passive. Every boss encounter i have had in this game the bosses have been 0 to 100 ontop of me right off the gate.

the breath spells are basically giant shotgun nukes.

a lot of bosses in this game will start the battle by simply walking towards you. i usually have plenty of time to get a double rot or double frost breath off before the boss starts attacking.

do i usually get hit right after finishing the cast? yes, but i survive and started the fight by cracking the bosses teeth, it's a fair trade off.

[Kalameet]

Origineel geplaatst door Jork:

i just can't help but laugh at posts like this. the dragon spells are honestly ridiculously powerful, i've been using them as my paladin/dragon knight character for the vast majority of the game and they're STILL ridiculously powerful even in the later parts of the game. honestly, the breath spells need a nerf if anything, especially frost and rot breath.

i can only assume people who somehow think the dragon spells suck don't realize you can upgrade seals at the blacksmith to boost damage of incantations. i've been using the bestial seal, i've had it at +13 for a long time, dragon breath spells obliterate pretty much everything, including bosses. i'm at the mountaintops of the giants and they're still working great.

I am an enthusiast dragon spell user, yet sometimes i won't even dare use a DragonBreath unless i have 50 meters between me and the mob.

A single zombie punch with strength 1 can throw you out of the spell animation, and may god forgive you if you get cockblocked when the spell already used your FP.

Dragon claw is already more generous with poise, but landing a strike while paying 1/3 of your HP (because a boss hit you midcast) is often a no-go for me.

And no... dragon spells are nowhere this powerful, especially for their cost and their slow casting time.

Clawmark Seal +11 (20 STR, 27 FAI) and dragon claw barely did 400 damage to the last boss i fought (bell bearing hunter, church of vows)

Dragon Breath was totally a waste of FP on this one, even with 3 focused castings.

[𝒏𝑨𝒕𝑬]

I just think if a game is gonna be fast paced if something is slow it better do tons of damage, yet charged attacks with heavy weapons take about as long as a dragon spell cast and do the same amount of damage but at least you have hyper armor in that case.

[Lorenzo]

Origineel geplaatst door Nythand:

Origineel geplaatst door Lorenzo543:

i usually run out of mana in one breath because i hold it down and do the entire animation, usually results in more damage

im talking about for boss encounters ive said previously its okay in open world against basic mobs, in fact they are super useful for AOE farming.

idk how your build is looking but, as the other person said, you've already made up your mind, if you want you can take the advise of trying to use the rot breath and timing it more carefully you can take it, you can also do the opposite and just stop using it, it's just advice

[Fresh Produce]

Honestly, the dragon skills kinda do suck. You can get okay damage out of them, but no where near enough to justify the cast time and FP cost. I started with an incantation build and switched back to incantations for my ng+4 and none of the dragon incantations were good enough to find a place in my spell book for the play through. They would really benefit from cast speed boosts from dex at the very least.

[Lorenzo]

Origineel geplaatst door Nythand:

Origineel geplaatst door Yagger:

the stats aren't much by any means to use it, it deals damage, stunlocks and rots, aaand it pisses people off when you use it, nothing but wins

Look you all have raised good points about how they should be used and why the status effects are a big benefit but i dont see how something so slow can be useful in 1 on 1 encounters. There is no way you have a window big enough in fights with aggresive bosses to ever pull it off unless they are just being oddly passive. Every boss encounter i have had in this game the bosses have been 0 to 100 ontop of me right off the gate.

I'm gonna link a reddit post i made, just to show you it is possible, you just have to practice timing it :) https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/tgzebq/not_even_close_baby/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[Whobody_Jones]

dragon spells are OP and I wreck bosses and giant mobs with the blasts. PVP is so fun with them, don't lock on and spray left and right and catch them all the time. Learn the windup timing which is the spell's drawback, spec into Faith like you are supposed to for INCANTATIONS, and use them. If you think they are weak that says you need to be getting to that gud status

[your beanie baby]

Origineel geplaatst door Lorenzo543:

Origineel geplaatst door Nythand:

im talking about for boss encounters ive said previously its okay in open world against basic mobs, in fact they are super useful for AOE farming.

idk how your build is looking but, as the other person said, you've already made up your mind, if you want you can take the advise of trying to use the rot breath and timing it more carefully you can take it, you can also do the opposite and just stop using it, it's just advice

just using rotten breath is boring

[Mikamus]

For pvp rotten breath is trash. Boluses exist.