Why nerf Mimic Ashes?

[Nyaria]

I really do not understand why you would nerf the mimic ashes. It didn't do that much damage to begin with, it was just bulky with a very stupid AI.

What exactly does changing it's behavior mean? Is it even stupider now?

I don't understand why there is a need to nerf single player stuff. None of it effects balancing in the slightest for anything PvP related. You can't get invaded, you can't duel, there's literally zero other player interactions when you're using spirit summons because that's the only time you are allowed to do so.

Not to mention your match-making is really bad at times, and I can spend literally 30+ minutes getting spammed with nothing but "Unable to summon co-operator" and never get anywhere.

And I can check my network settings all day and night and see I'm not the one running into issues.

Seriously, why nerf an item that has zero interaction with anyone but the person using it? If you don't like mimic tear, don't use it. Go do it the "Ol' fashioned" way.

The mimic already didn't do damage, and eats literally half your damn life to even summon. (Which makes boss rooms that have a super aggressive boss just jumping at you instantly fun)

I do not think the mimic ashes warranted a nerf. :|

[Elden Lord Ashrak Teriel]

Origineel geplaatst door Ridley:

Trash argument that every fromdrone uses " "GiT GuD"
Anyone that uses this retarded meme in their vocabulary is instantly blacklisted lmfao.
DRONES.

These are the same bots that die 60+ times to a boss and "feel accomplished" when they kill it.
Meanwhile i just 3 shot everything cheesing it ;)))

Its a game you nerds, its meant to be fun.

git gud

[LexTali0n]

Origineel geplaatst door ✪ Wuhan Warrior 🍉🍉:

Because the DEVs agree for once with the community that some people need to GIt Gud when playing the game instead of relying on 1 item to carry 90% of the game for them.

In anycase I haven’t had any experience using this item and probably not ever going to. My own sorceries, staff and sword is enough.

Tired of the idiots saying "git gud". This game has ONLY been successful in sales because it was vastly more approachable for new players who had never played souls-like games before. They literally have sold 3x the normal number of copies for any of their previous games.

After this patch was applied - concurrent steam users dropped from 500k to 300k. You lost 200,000 concurrent players from one patch. You have to be an idiot of a developer to stay with that stance. The changes that effected PVP, fine, make those changes. But the changes to PVE/solo play, give me a break. The game was enjoyable before, and still difficult for all us new players trying their first souls-like. Back to Hunt I go, and I will disparage this game when asked about it in any of my streams. So fun.

[Dehra]

Origineel geplaatst door Ridley:

Trash argument that every fromdrone uses " "GiT GuD"
Anyone that uses this retarded meme in their vocabulary is instantly blacklisted lmfao.
DRONES.

These are the same bots that die 60+ times to a boss and "feel accomplished" when they kill it.
Meanwhile i just 3 shot everything cheesing it ;)))

Its a game you nerds, its meant to be fun.

Finally beating a boss solo with skill feels good. It's not as much fun as satisfying. But you won't ever experience that.

Souls games aren't super story heavy. The combat is actually clunky as ♥♥♥♥ I think, another obstacle to overcome.

So what "fun" is to be had?

[KourageHD]

Origineel geplaatst door Nyaria:

I've never once seen my Mimic Solo a boss.

It either despawns randomly because it gets caught in the door and I end up having to fight the boss solo anyways. It mindlessly just sits there and does nothing from time to time just being hit, or yolo's to hell and ends up getting itself locked in "Get hit, fall down, get up, run to enemiy, get hit, fall down, get up, run to enemy" cycles and accomplishes nothing.

I don't know what bloody AI you guy's Mimic Tear summons had, but mine is clearly defective if yours is supposedly soloing bosses. When it does decide to work properly, it's a nice bonus, specifically against multi-boss fights, but I feel like people are ~WAY~ Exaggerating how powerful this spirit is.

Its hard to take this post serious, but in your case, your mimic AI is broken/bugged or your items/spells are bad. Something is wrong and its clearly not working.

How it is working for me and everyone else is that it can 1v1 bosses fairly easy and I can just sit emote while I grab a snack and come back to the boss dead. It's pretty simple.

[KruxSmash]

Origineel geplaatst door ✪ Wuhan Warrior 🍉🍉:

Because the DEVs agree for once with the community that some people need to GIt Gud when playing the game instead of relying on 1 item to carry 90% of the game for them.

In anycase I haven’t had any experience using this item and probably not ever going to. My own sorceries, staff and sword is enough.

Yet they didn't touch moonveil at all, and you can't even use ashes in "90% of the game". Quality observation.

[Zach]

Origineel geplaatst door Yoshimtu:

Origineel geplaatst door Nyaria:

I've never once seen my Mimic Solo a boss.

It either despawns randomly because it gets caught in the door and I end up having to fight the boss solo anyways. It mindlessly just sits there and does nothing from time to time just being hit, or yolo's to hell and ends up getting itself locked in "Get hit, fall down, get up, run to enemiy, get hit, fall down, get up, run to enemy" cycles and accomplishes nothing.

I don't know what bloody AI you guy's Mimic Tear summons had, but mine is clearly defective if yours is supposedly soloing bosses. When it does decide to work properly, it's a nice bonus, specifically against multi-boss fights, but I feel like people are ~WAY~ Exaggerating how powerful this spirit is.

https://youtu.be/pzIrpczy6ls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za9DKVXbhok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqjZleN1CPg
are just a few videos. Obvious boss spoilers.

Origineel geplaatst door Ridley:

Trash argument that every fromdrone uses " "GiT GuD"
Anyone that uses this retarded meme in their vocabulary is instantly blacklisted lmfao.
DRONES.

These are the same bots that die 60+ times to a boss and "feel accomplished" when they kill it.
Meanwhile i just 3 shot everything cheesing it ;)))

Its a game you nerds, its meant to be fun.

I think people saying git gud and leaving it at that are pretty dumb. However instead of the common thing from the other side of "they're nerfing everything fun" is most weapons aren't at the level of night and flame, or most ashes aren't on the level of mimic, so I more see it as a way to make more things viable and yea, buffing the majority of weaposn for the couple they felt was OP would be a lot more work and mess with the balance a lot more.

Not saying mimic is broken or was but you literally show it fighting 3 easy bosses with an OP weapon. I mean the mimic is only as strong as the weapons you give it. Clearly if you give it a dagger it'll get killed but if you give it two giant-crushers with hoarfrost stomp then obviously it can solo anything.

Though tbh this nerf didn't really affect it that much. It's a bit dumber and does less damage but it still pulls agro and it still does good damage (better than majority of ashes).

[Agathocles69]

Origineel geplaatst door Pinpachinko:

Mimic had 5k hp at max level , could heal itself and as strong as you. It had to be nerfed. You essentially got a 2nd player with no boss being buffed like regular co-op.

so sick and tired of "nerf this, nerf that". its a single player game, in which the enemy has big health pool, everlasting stamina and and non ending combos..... (so we do it more unfair? yeah, looking forward to it )so whats the point of nerf the stuff? i dont get it.

[Ridley]

Origineel geplaatst door Dehra:

Origineel geplaatst door Ridley:

Trash argument that every fromdrone uses " "GiT GuD"
Anyone that uses this retarded meme in their vocabulary is instantly blacklisted lmfao.
DRONES.

These are the same bots that die 60+ times to a boss and "feel accomplished" when they kill it.
Meanwhile i just 3 shot everything cheesing it ;)))

Its a game you nerds, its meant to be fun.

Finally beating a boss solo with skill feels good. It's not as much fun as satisfying. But you won't ever experience that.

Souls games aren't super story heavy. The combat is actually clunky as ♥♥♥♥ I think, another obstacle to overcome.

So what "fun" is to be had?

Destroying bosses with fun OP weapons, feeling powerful etc.

[supergorilla]

I do think it's really funny that they would nerf ashes that were meant to simulate an online experience, before fixing said online experience and people are like "this is great thanks from"

[Dehra]

Origineel geplaatst door Ridley:

Origineel geplaatst door Dehra:

Finally beating a boss solo with skill feels good. It's not as much fun as satisfying. But you won't ever experience that.

Souls games aren't super story heavy. The combat is actually clunky as ♥♥♥♥ I think, another obstacle to overcome.

So what "fun" is to be had?

Destroying bosses with fun OP weapons, feeling powerful etc.

Well I restrict my level, (mostly) avoid broken ♥♥♥♥. I try to make it a somewhat fair fight. I will admit there are so many bosses and abilities to learn I'm feeling a little fatigue.

Trying to use pre-fix river of blood on Malenia burnt me the ♥♥♥♥ out

[ToryJJ]

Origineel geplaatst door Yoshimtu:

For pretty much everyone I ever seen, there was rarely ever a reason to use any other ash. Mimic was by far the most used ash there was, and just because it's not interacting with other players, doesn't mean the devs want their game to be not challenging.

With that said mimic did a ton of damage for me so I dont know what you're on about.

Edit: I will say though, I do agree with the mimic ai being really dumb at times. spamming buffs over and over and having any sort of utility spell just feels bad at times.

its still op nerf did nothing.
All it did was make lower level players using it hurt more
Higher levels are still just give it a heal with a talsiman in its other hand and then it heals itself since its the only spell it can use and its main hand is some bleed weapon/debuff weapon so it just never dies and debuffs the boss (best is frost since frostbite works on everything)

[Zach]

Origineel geplaatst door Yoshimtu:

Origineel geplaatst door Zach:

Not saying mimic is broken or was but you literally show it fighting 3 easy bosses with an OP weapon. I mean the mimic is only as strong as the weapons you give it. Clearly if you give it a dagger it'll get killed but if you give it two giant-crushers with hoarfrost stomp then obviously it can solo anything.

Though tbh this nerf didn't really affect it that much. It's a bit dumber and does less damage but it still pulls agro and it still does good damage (better than majority of ashes).

I picked the first three videos that popped up when I searched elden ring mimic boss solo. You're free to look up more if you'd like.

that wouldn't prove much. if you can find a video of a mimic soloing the final boss in the game with a dagger then i'll gladly retract my statement.

[UnderDoug]

Origineel geplaatst door ✪ Wuhan Warrior 🍉🍉:

In anycase I haven’t had any experience using this item and probably not ever going to. My own sorceries, staff and sword is enough.

That's the beauty of the mimic tear, it is my sorceries, staff and sword.

[Dandenno]

git gud noobs crying here in this thread

[GamerNinja]

Git Gud for most of the people saying it all the time prob means follow build guides and roadmaps of game to feel special.

I could see how mimic could be op as hell with these super builds people are using but you run just a basic lordsworn sword and shield with light armor I could see mimic being weak.

hell at end of journey 2 end boss took like 200 damn hits to kill. After a failed attempt i summoned for the first time in my play cuz just wanted my ending,,,,and dude that joined was taking like 20% of boss life in one hit. Which means we are playing totally different games and that is perfectly fine tis how it should be.